Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby skimmer2 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:14 pm

Cuttlefish wrote:Rob takes the time to make sense of different board aspects for laymen.


Bet he rolls the eyes up to the heavens and tut tuts a fair bit in the doing too..... :violent2:
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Cuttlefish » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:59 pm

Ever notice there's not too many older "gun" (to avoid using the term guru) shapers hanging around internet forums answering questions about basic design questions? :wink:
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby royal » Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:57 pm

skimmer2 wrote:Bet he ... tut tuts a fair bit...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjFs9CPGhts
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby browncurtains » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:20 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8e76XpXD1o

so the verdict on the original question is......... ?

sort of, but not completely.....can work, but depends on how the shaper throws it into the mix.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oauAL695-s :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88BPk903jUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc8zdLQuZp0 ........ oops off on one there, but hey its friday :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js2_hBDi2LI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-AVPEwmWMc.... see :shock:
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Barneyrubble » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:16 pm

browncurtains wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8e76XpXD1o

so the verdict on the original question is......... ?

sort of, but not completely.....can work, but depends on how the shaper throws it into the mix.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oauAL695-s :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88BPk903jUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc8zdLQuZp0 ........ oops off on one there, but hey its friday :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js2_hBDi2LI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-AVPEwmWMc.... see :shock:


or each to their own and its a surfboard so surf it anyway you want......
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Cuttlefish » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:39 pm

It's pretty simple really.
If you're a fit, competent surfer then you'll be looking at a fish your height or shorter.
If you're in the other catergory then a longer fish will keep you happy.
No need for bruised egos.
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby finlay » Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:22 am

There is no black or white, and there is 6ft of variety inbetween.

In the last year and a bit I've put in a heap of time on fish shorter than I am - 5'10'', lis templated and twin keeled. And they categorically work, in beachbreak or point surf they are a pleasure to surf.

In the same year I've put in a good amount of time on a couple fish of double my height at 12ft and 10ft. Same widepoint forward, deep swallow, flat rocker, just stretched. And it works, point/beach and a massive range of conditions. Much more lateral, and different to surf but equally valid.

seems a little useless to close your mind over what seems a matter of pride and surfing what you 'should' be surfing
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Cuttlefish » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:48 am

finlay wrote:seems a little useless to close your mind over what seems a matter of pride and surfing what you 'should' be surfing

Nothing to do with pride if you're directing the comment at me.
If we're talking about a traditional fish template, rocker, twin keel set up which was essentially a kneeboard designed for riding at Southern Californian rock shelf tubes stretched out to 10-12' to ride as a longboard then maybe its time for a McCoy experience and "designs that free your mind". :wink:
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Science » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:13 am

Try rebel surfboards. they make a board called the cruise missile. its got the front end of a mal and the rear half is a quad fish. My mates got one and it goes like stink!, gets into waves early and goes in every type of wave. They make them up to 7'2 I think.

website: www.rebelsurfcompany.co.uk
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Jimmo » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:36 am

^^ Nice pic but that's not a fish.
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Poo Stance » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:27 am

Some footage for ye.

http://hydrodynamica.blogspot.com/2010/ ... -2004.html

Surfs just like me does he. 8)
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby skimmer2 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:19 am

Poo Stance wrote:Some footage for ye.

http://hydrodynamica.blogspot.com/2010/ ... -2004.html

Surfs just like me does he. 8)


Now that looks like fun..surfs just like me too :-)
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby nawgy1979 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:56 am

Hi guys,
I have just been re-reading this thread and wondered what size fish is classed as 'larger' ?
I have a Jim Banks Keel fish at 6'3 but it is pretty foiled and thin compared to other traditional fishes. Would you class this as a large fish ?

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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Philchapman » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:41 pm

/\ It's all relative..... does it matter? It's a 6'3" fish. Too small for me, too big for some.
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby defever » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:26 pm

This is a great thread. Bit of a long read but full of quality information! I've learned a lot from this.

Thanks Goat for raising the question and everyone contributed to answer his question.
And thanks nawgy1979 for bringing the thread back to the top, I wouldn't have read this if you didn't revive the thread.

I am in a similar but slightly different situation to Goat when he created this thread. Some of the replies have definitely given me solid answers to most of my questions. But not all. Perhaps I should start a new thread with details rather than hijacking this...
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby surfgoth » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:05 pm

this is the board you are looking for.

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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Cuttlefish » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:40 pm

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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby defever » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:16 pm

Cuttlefish wrote:Or something with a swallow tail...
http://store.diversesurf.com.au/78x-22- ... y-diverse/


Are you serious?! Really?! I'm still learning the types of tail shapes and their functions, but this just doesn't look right... what's the reasoning behind this swallow tail on a massive tongue...?
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Cuttlefish » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:55 am

Lol...you think that's Weird...google Meyerhoffer and get back to me.
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby zboy » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:02 pm

are larger size fish a bit pointless? it would be like asking a Pointillist painter like georges seurat to paint by the more traditional method of painting,ie strokes of colour rather than dots of colour.i hope this answer your question. :-)
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby defever » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:54 pm

Cuttlefish wrote:google Meyerhoffer and get back to me.


Aw, please...I've seen one on the line up in my own naked eye. It's like...a friggin' VEGGIE BURGER. Either you convert to a beef eater or just give up your desire to eat a burger. You can't just combine the two and hope to get the best of both tastes...! In my humble opinion...

However, I might contradict myself here.. I think a short "longboard" template (instead of "shortboard" tail template on a longboard), might just work. That's what I have in mind. A sub-6ft egg-template, biscuity, stubby, mini longboard. Take the "glide" and "early entry" of longboarding and combine it with "versatile" and "responsive" shortboarding. For a creamy ride on 30+mph gale onshore mush-burger surf (southeast doesn't get any better than this 95% of the time...).

"mini creme egg"
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby JayP » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:22 am

royal wrote:
skimmer2 wrote:Bet he ... tut tuts a fair bit...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjFs9CPGhts


Just saw this! .......Brilliant!!! :lol:
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Cuttlefish » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:08 am

defever wrote:
Cuttlefish wrote:google Meyerhoffer and get back to me.


Aw, please...I've seen one on the line up in my own naked eye. It's like...a friggin' VEGGIE BURGER. Either you convert to a beef eater or just give up your desire to eat a burger. You can't just combine the two and hope to get the best of both tastes...! In my humble opinion...

However, I might contradict myself here.. I think a short "longboard" template (instead of "shortboard" tail template on a longboard), might just work. That's what I have in mind. A sub-6ft egg-template, biscuity, stubby, mini longboard. Take the "glide" and "early entry" of longboarding and combine it with "versatile" and "responsive" shortboarding. For a creamy ride on 30+mph gale onshore mush-burger surf (southeast doesn't get any better than this 95% of the time...).

"mini creme egg"

You have just described a Takayama scorpion with quad plus single box.
The board for a stranded surfer on a desert island.
My 6'6" DVS weiner (same concept) was supposed to do what the scorpion does but it didn't.
My takayama scorpion is a masterpiece of board design.
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Goat » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:59 am

Looks fun!

http://vimeo.com/52279671

Appears to handle going more vertical easier than a fish too. But then he's a great surfer, so it's always hard to tell. If he was on a fish in the same video clip, perhaps he would be going just as vert as he is on the scorpion.
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby Black » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:17 pm

^^^ You could do all that on an incut fish definitely.
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Re: Are larger size Fish a bit pointless?

Postby zboy » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:14 pm

i think its called a mega fish 9ft of fish not pointless to the guy riding it
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