It is confusing stuff
The bottom line to get your head around is the two "schools" of longboarding, traditional and progressive. A traditional log like the superb ones gulfstream sell will noseride well and also turn well but they turn in a "pivoty " way and dont generate speed or drive with turns, instead you get trim speed by moving up the board after the turn so footwork is very important. With good footwork they will turn very well but in a very specific sense.
When people say they noseride well they mean in the sense that they will be very stable to get your feet close together on a five or to hang ten and will hold in right in the steepest bit of the wave. they are not the easiest boards to manouver because of their weight but are easy enough to surf if you have a bit of cross stepping going on. I always think that the quality of a noseride is more about the position if your back foot, surfers on less traditional equipment tend to leave their backfoot much further away from the nose.
"performance" longboards like the "original" and performance noseriders (like the fireball) are very similar shapes, just with different amounts of foam in them. Generally the more performance you go, the more shortboard like your turns will be at the expense of pure trim speed without pumping and at the expense of noseriding on a small slow wave as you experienced. Both types have narrower tails and hard rails so actually produce speed or drive through your turn (in basic turns) they noseride in a different, flatter part of the wave BUT something with a wide nose like the fireball will still noseride well just in a slightly different way than a proper log. they draw different lines on the wave.
If you ever see vowlesy out at saunton on his fireball you will see fine evidence of the fireballs noseriding even in small waves.
Here's the controversial bit.......... i'm going to say that things like the fireball are actually a bit easier to learn to noseride on (as long as you dont get one too small) because, they are lighter and easier to turn and they are in a way easier and less critical as far as your positioning goes to get on the nose because of all the nose width. They turn from further up the board so your positioning and footwork is a bit less critical.
controversial i know coming from a logging fiend such as myself but.... i think in a way your decision comes down to what you want your longboarding style to look like, what you mean by "turning well"
hopefully that hasn't confused you more. Loose fit did have a couple of tester boards around.
All that said i have a bing that might be for sale which is a log that turns very well in a traditional sense and noserides ok too.......
royal wrote:I want to apologize if my post seemed arrogant, or superior complexityied.... Its just that in my own personal experience, I never understood boards with super wide noses. I know loads of people like that, and I guess that is fine since you should ride what you like. It keeps things interesting in the water, and design forum topics lively
Its just that unbalanced outline always looked wonky to me. I end up catching rails all the time, and pearling for no reason. All that weight up front, and no planing area or outline curve in the tail... totally contrary to design theory, and of course the real "hot dog" concepts from malibu, or australia where the wide point was set back(just like modern shortboards.) Anything over 17" in the nose just looks weird to me. But that's just me, and I know I am in the minority...
I'm admittedly a bit of a dick though when people ask me for a board that will help them nose ride - which isn't on the shoulder... Noseriding isn't meant to be easy. That's why we like it, and keep trying to perfect it. Its a challenge, and people that master it look good doing it because they understand proper positioning. Funny thing is, I find a less extreme outline will get you noseriding quicker, in the right position, is more forgiving, and won't spin out like some tear drop outlines will.
It sounds like I'm some Dora-esque, holier than thou type hipster logger, but it is coming from a happy place, really...
Jory wrote:Yeah I personally find the nose too wide& fat railed on the in the pink but lots of people love it. Different noseriding philosophies as mentioned above.
Also I can change direction on my single fin just as abruptly as ndl on his new board but we are doing different types of turns so depends how u define turns well as previously mentioned
royal...just checkingwhat do you mean by central or rear widepoint?