The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Any discussion on shaping, designing, repairing and riding surfcraft of any type or shape. Also a good place to ask the 'what board should I buy?' question.

The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:03 pm

Over the last 12 months or so, I have been messing around with a couple of boards that could be described loosely as 'Widowmakers' and 2+1 shortboards and they have slowly become the go-to boards for me for everyday surfing here on earth.

I screwed my leg up last year and when I was able to surf again I was a bit heavier and it was about February time, meaning lots of rubber. The combination of these two aspects combined with a lack of fitness and flexibility meant that I knew I would probably struggle a bit on my favourite board at the time - a 5'10 quad, so I came across a 6'6 Doc Lausch 3 fin bonzer which had a bit of foam in it and looked like it would float my bloated, ailing carcass. See here:

Image

I learnt to surf on a 6'6 single fin when I was a nipper, and have had a few shorter modernised singles in recent years, so I liked the feel of the bonzer, but found this one just a tincy bit draggy in small waves. Strictly speaking the Doc was too big for me, so that has anew home. I never got to try it with smaller sides and a bigger centre, which is a shame. However, it was nice to do those of turns that you can only do with a big centre fin, particularly bottom turns, so I got my nose into other things singley/bonzerish and thought the Widow setup would be worth a punt. Most people have seen the footage of Neal Purchase Jnr in Glass Love and after watching it again, it spurred me on to try one.

I talked to Bro Diplock, who has a handle on most things under the sun that could loosely be called surfboards and we decided that a 6'6" x 19 7/8 x 2 5/8 diamondtail single with a modernised vee/single/double/spiral vee bottom and a couple of side bites could be a good start. Forward foil, tucked, shortboardy rails, pretty flat rocker:

Image
Image

I always just assumed that this board would come alive in the chunky, shifty, rippy stuff we sometimes get round here and would be a bit cumbersome in smaller waves, but I have to say, it seems to go well in all sorts of stuff. Not like a shortboard, mind, more like a souped-up single that you can really lean on in turns. Snaps and tight hooks don't feel too natural on this one, but it has that speed and glide you feel on a fish, without the need to constantly be on a rail, like a fish.

Anyhoo... This Widow-ish thing came up for grabs from a mate a little while after and I nabbed it:

Image

It's a 6'5 x 19 1/4 x 2 3/8 Wayne Lynch 'Evolution' (what a weird avenue that was, eh?) rounded pin Widow/2+1. This thing is a lot different to the above board - way more shortboard-like with a fair bit of rocker throughout and pretty foiled all round with lower rails. Even though it's still what I would categorise almost as a 'semi-gun' size, it loves a bowly wave, even a relatively small one and is way more willing to go more straight up into turns. It feels like a very flowy thruster, without being boaty and distant-feeling

The other 2+1 I have is the recently converted (thanks Coxie) B and W 6'2" single. I've yet to try it as a 2+1, but have had it out in a few surfs as a single. It's pretty flat, pretty light, with a modern foil and modern rails. The tail is a single wing pin:

Image

I guess the reason I posted these up is to share my findings and subsequent stoke with these boards. I need to ride the B&W with it's new side fins to see how it goes, but my feeling is that it will share some of the positive attributes of the other two boards; that is, a natural speed and glide that feels like a good fish when you are surfing down the line, but a really smooth, rock solid feeling off the back foot when needed. They also feel great surfing backside, particularly the Lynch.

It's weird - I thought that I had initially made a mistake with the 6'6 diamond, but it's turned into the best board I have had in a few years. I took it to Portugal last September with a load of fins and a screwdriver and just rode it all day in whatever was there, from knee-high rivermouth to solid overhead point and beach waves.

I think the key to the design is the combination of wide point forward or dead centre, which seems to get you up and planing in small stuff and can be 'pushed' off the front foot for speed, with a fin combination that (at least initially) appears to be too much for the board, but is actually giving loads of lift and drive to the rear end without any noticeable drag.

I'm sure there's more going on than that, but these seem to be the key aspects that are shared by each board.

I won't even discuss the fins and various set-ups in this post, as it's long enough already.

Try one, you may like it!
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby coxie » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:19 am

Archy_is_God wrote:(thanks Coxie)


Mmmmwha ha ha ha :twisted:

And yet another leash is added to lee's ever growing fins and leg rope collection. Think i may have some sordid leash fetish, bit like stealing knickers off peoples washing lines.

It's in the porch mate :oops:

And if anyone else wants to lay claim to the 20 or so assorted fcs fins in the workshop let yourself be known.

Liking the lynch arch see what you mean about it being more towards a shortboard template.
User avatar
coxie
 
Posts: 870
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:51 am
Location: north devon

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:54 am

Did I leave a leash? Didn't even realise! Thanks for the heads up.

Yeah, the Lynch is definitely more thrusterish in planshape, but the width and volume is more slightly forward when you look closely and the tail is not what I would call that narrow.

In fact, this may be one of the things that works - the extra finnage on the Widows seems to allow for a wider tail, which in turn leads to a slightly straighter rail line = more speed and drive, without any loss of hold.

I've got some fin ideas that I have mulling over, including the starfin combo, which could be interesting...
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Ferral » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:23 pm

Archy,

what length and dims do you think are appropraite comapered to a normal thruster? got the itch to try and make another board if i can find space somewhere, and wouldnt mind giving one a go, thinking prob going a touch longer and thicker than normal shortboard dims.
Ferral
 
Posts: 3923
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:59 am

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby bunker » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:34 pm

I've got some fin ideas that I have mulling over, including the starfin combo, which could be interesting...


I went through a stage of trying out different fins in mine and writing down all the things I noticed straight after a session. I called them fin notes. I have no idea where they are now, but I distinctly remember riding the starfin in my widowmaker a few times in Ireland. I found it let you take a very high line and sit tight in the pocket, really useful in thin-lipped waves that are hollow and fast without too much bottom tension. Bit overloaded. The parmenters I've seen and ridden have surprisingly large centre fins...
bunker
 
Posts: 1332
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:54 pm

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:04 pm

Hey Ferral,

I bought the Diplock as a step-up, as I would normally go a 6'6 x 19 x 2 1/2 as a pinny thruster step-up, I.e. A board for overhead surf. However, it seems to go in all sorts TBH.

I know someone who has an 11' pintail widowmaker gun for surfing open-water big waves like Oysters and a few spots in Ireland. Bit of a beast really...

You can definitely go a bit wider and thicker than normal without it feeling weird, particularly if you go for the more traditional widepoint/foil forward design.

Bunker - I remember you talking about that Fluid Juice Widow. Wasn't it a 7'1 or something? Do you still have it? Would be good to compare fin ideas. It definitely opens a whole new realm of set-up possibilities, particularly with the Lokbox sides. Good fun to experiment with and seems to really change the way the board reacts in certain conditions.

I remember you saying that with all 3 fins in, it was a bit much maybe? Weirdly, I have had some pretty large fins in the Diplock, but it still seems to work, but I do have a penchant for stiffer, drivey boards over looser ones.

The best beachbreak set up in the Dippers is some 3.8in sides with a 6.5 TK flex in the middle, all fairly in line rail-to-rail, with the trailing edges almost in line with the front of the centre. I also like a 7in Takayama Pivot with some Lokbox longboard sidebites in smaller, down-the-line conditions.

I read somewhere that Terry Fitz actually used a oppositely-foiled sidefin (curved inside, flat outside) in his Driftas, which I guess are the forerunners to the Widow. It sounds bizarre, but you never know...
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Goat » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:18 pm

They look like really nice boards Archy and you definately seem stoked about the design!

Have you tried the B&W puffin yet? Set up as a quad, It's very fishy, flowing and fast but also really stable and loose off the shortboard-esque tail. Saying that, ive used a retro, really wide retro twin fin fish in costa rica now for a week and its the most fun ive ever had on a surfboard.

So has the widowmaker eclipsed your quad in terms of suitability to your style?
User avatar
Goat
 
Posts: 495
Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:36 pm
Location: Bristol

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby gavtheoldskater » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:28 pm

good thread... i too took an interest in widowmakers after seeing glass love and then reading about dave paramenter's (now there's a guy who i'd like to have a board made by) widowmakers. thats a lot of the reason i bought the surf prescription off you.

its a really good board, got on with it from the first surf. i paired it with a 6ft2 twin fin for smaller days and it was a really good combination (for me). the best way i can describe it is 'pivoty' especially off the top. i really like the feel.. and the speed!

i also moved the fins around after the first surf as it did'nt quite feel right to me especially on cutbacks (bear in mind i'm a stubbornly un-talented surfer so i may be totally wrong and talking out my @ass) so, as per campbells bonzer instructions, the leading edge of the rear was adjusted to be in line with the trailing edge of the side fins, and worked even better for me.

what i found interesting was that after a summer riding it, out of curiosity, i took a thruster out in the autumn and found i could'nt get on with it.

you're right it would be a good game to try it with normal side bites, time for some ebay searching.
User avatar
gavtheoldskater
 
Posts: 733
Joined: Sat May 23, 2009 6:34 pm
Location: west cornwall

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby kookster » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:57 am

Well I'm not sure if this board meets the 2+1 criteria for the thread (is this a thruster or a 2+1?) but it is a little different. It's a Neal Purchase Senior board I picked up on eBay last week.

5’11 x 20 x 3 ish, Multifin star centrefin dates it to late 80s I think.... pretty flat rocker. Photos don’t really do it justice, got a lot of patches but otherwise really clean…. She has increasing vee right through, should be a hoot rail to rail in mushy stuff I reckon... It's a "thruster" I guess, but thinking about bringing the outside fins down about and inch and maybe getting a bigger centre in the future, perhaps a Horan style winged keel.

Out of action due to some reef tax paid last week so haven't had a chance to ride her yet.

Apologies if I've the steered the thread into the trees guys....

Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
kookster
 
Posts: 162
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:32 am
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:17 am

Kookster, what a score!

That's a Multifin centre? Never seen one like that... Looks like the forerunner to the FCS Redtip. Nothing new under the sun...

Before you grind the side fins down, have a go with a bigger centre, maybe a 6in to begin with, but a little further forward in the box. I bet it will work!

It's funny how these things come round eh? Neal and Jnr both seem to have brought updated versions of that board out in the last few years that look appealing. That 'Schnubb' model by Neal snr looks like it would go well;

Image
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby kookster » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:22 am

About 3/4 of the way down the page see "1987" http://www.surfresearch.com.au/f.html

And trust me you don't want to start looking elsewhere on that site, I lost a whole day there this week, it's wicked!

And this one... http://www2.swaylocks.com/node/1024761#comment-1241592 where ProBoxLarry says it is 1977??
User avatar
kookster
 
Posts: 162
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:32 am
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby mrkmrk2842 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:43 pm

great thread archy - thanks for putting up all the information - i'm particularly interested in any opinions on how the widowmakers differ in ride characteristics from a bonzer - i know Dan (bunker) is more than qualified to answer this question - particularly interested in difference between the parmenter ones you've surfed and the 6'8 bonzer egg i bought from you?! Any others' thoughts would be much appreciated too - thanks!
Last edited by mrkmrk2842 on Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
mrkmrk2842
 
Posts: 325
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:48 pm

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:17 pm

Yeah, Bunker's probably a bit more experienced with these boards, particularly on the Bonzer front. Apart from the 3 fin bonzer above, I have only ridden a couple of others and they were 5 fin versions...
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:51 pm

Aaaah, a widowmaker discussion? Can't keep my oar out of that. Yeah, they work great. Not as tracky as a bonzer but that's my fairly uninformed opinion. Here's a couple, I'm sure I've posted this diamond tail Mackie before, but it's a good one (sorry Bunker!)
2+1.jpg
2+1.jpg (254.06 KiB) Viewed 5158 times

2+1fin.jpg
2+1fin.jpg (99.55 KiB) Viewed 5158 times


And this one Kidman made, keeping with the Aussie theme. Built off his Parmenter original but with bonus channels.
the_crush_1.jpg
the_crush_1.jpg (158.82 KiB) Viewed 5158 times


There's some pretty good stuff in Andrew's new film that revolves around the widowmaker concept- great footage and interview stuff with Lynch and Parmenter. I'll rummage few the image files and find a few more pictures too, be warned!


[url]waveslide.blogspot.com[/url]
User avatar
Kirk3
 
Posts: 196
Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:23 am

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby kookster » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:53 am

Watched "Glass Love" today, great surfing, now that's really beautiful surfing, not mellow, not rip and tear, just do what the wave tells you to do next. Awesome.

Also found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqKhl6OmwHo Check out the beautiful setup at the 2.00 mark, just so at ease with it all.

That Kidman board just above is a far more all-round shape for mine, and something I'd love in my quiver - I love channels too :-)
User avatar
kookster
 
Posts: 162
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:32 am
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby shackattack2 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:09 am

Great thread Archy! This is a concept I've always thought about but never got round to trying out. Looks like the ticket for big wave points...

Keep the porn coming
shackattack2
 
Posts: 1735
Joined: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:10 pm
Location: Sunny Coast

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:59 am

Kirk3 wrote:Aaaah, a widowmaker discussion? Can't keep my oar out of that. Yeah, they work great. Not as tracky as a bonzer but that's my fairly uninformed opinion. Here's a couple, I'm sure I've posted this diamond tail Mackie before, but it's a good one (sorry Bunker!)
2+1fin.jpg


And this one Kidman made, keeping with the Aussie theme. Built off his Parmenter original but with bonus channels.

There's some pretty good stuff in Andrew's new film that revolves around the widowmaker concept- great footage and interview stuff with Lynch and Parmenter. I'll rummage few the image files and find a few more pictures too, be warned!


[url]waveslide.blogspot.com[/url]


Hey Kirk, was wondering how long it was going to be before we heard from you!

Is that Mackie still in your possession? Did you succumb to temptation and wax it up in the end? I remember you previously saying that the centre fin is a custom and is actually pretty long - maybe even 9in?

I received AK's new film just after Xmas and have been watching it a lot and really enjoying it. I like the slant he took with it, with the focus on the idea of surfers empowering themselves by learning to shape their own boards (something that I have, lazily, never got round to doing). The MP interview was great, as was some of Terry Fitz's classic quotes. Great book that came with it as well.... Some of the Widows that Joey Falcone shaped looked the biz.... If we had more clean surf around here, rather than the onshores, then I would go for some channels myself I reckon :D
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:52 am

shackattack2 wrote:Great thread Archy! This is a concept I've always thought about but never got round to trying out. Looks like the ticket for big wave points...

Keep the porn coming

Hey shack, I think you are right there.

One of the reasons I ordered the Diplock is because I just wanted something fast and reliable in bigger surf. For me, some of the benefits of having a bigger semigun thruster are kind of lost..

By that, I mean that a super high performance board around the 7ft range will not be used to it's full potential by me. I'm not AI or Shane Dorian and won't be going upside-down on over-vert re-entries on waves that are 6ft plus. I don't know many people who do really, so it makes sense to get something that still holds in well and, to me, feels better in barrels than a thruster. The Widow's ability to hold a long carve and keep speed throughout is pretty addictive, too. That's my take anyway.

I'm hoping the smaller one will have a good range, too.
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Ferral » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:30 pm

aaaahhh archy you've given me a thought, retro fit my 7ft thruster pintail with a singlefin box to try out the widow idea... although i bloody love the pin and its looked after me in the best waves of my live so maybe thats a silly idea.

what is andrew kidmans new film called?
Ferral
 
Posts: 3923
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:59 am

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:05 pm

Archy, yeah I 'm a sucker for these boards! I still like the starfin idea, although I still think you may wind up being a bit overfinned with that and even tiny sidebites. Won't know until someone tries though! I think the Spitfire keel as a center with a couple of tiny sidebites might be worth a look too. Stoked you got Andrew's film, it's really pretty good despite all the mumbling Aussies. That whole beginning bit with MP's 'Morning Of The Earth' board getting the design breakdown on the racks is pretty awesome, and when you see the Ulladulla reefs at work you understand what Mick's doing a little better- that's a serious wave! Here's a couple more that again I have no doubt posted, these one's by Tim Griffin here in Cali. He handles Lynch's designs up here and they are really, really nice boards. I've raved about that double bump baby swallow a lot, and still covet one. It's a single but a couple of boxes are easy to add...

2+1bottom.jpg
2+1bottom.jpg (45.35 KiB) Viewed 4963 times


2+1tail.jpg
2+1tail.jpg (60.18 KiB) Viewed 4963 times


6'5 swallow.jpg
6'5 swallow.jpg (47.69 KiB) Viewed 4963 times


I do still have that orange board and it's still a hideous temptation, but I promised I'd keep it as a stock board and sell it to a punter rather than just assimilate it into the quiver! Hopefully there's one of Mk II flex things on it's way up fairly soon, and this one is a legit demo board!
User avatar
Kirk3
 
Posts: 196
Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:23 am

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby finn67 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:12 pm

3 years ago I got a 6'8" widow from Adrian at Fluid Juice. It was my first choice for head high and above every time, a great board. I think widows should be round pins by default; they are good wave boards after all. The recommended fin at the time of ordering was an 8" Rainbow Rake. At first this didn't make much sense and I tried a series of smaller fins down to a 6" Greenough 4A. Nothing worked like the 8" Rake. I use 2.75" sides, prefered position is pushed back in their boxes. Looking over pictures of widows on line and on DVD it became clear that wide based fins seem to favoured and the majority of these boards are ridden with an over-finned set up.

My 6'8" hasn't seen the light of day this year; displaced by a Royal semi-trad twin which has yet to reach its limits.
finn67
 
Posts: 10
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:31 pm

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:19 pm

Ferral, That would be a good experiment I reckon!

You can always get a smaller centre and still use it as a thruster if you wanted - just place it where the old plugs would have been.

The film is called 'Lost in the Ether'
Last edited by Archy_is_God on Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Ferral » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:31 pm

yeah just looking at the film looks amazing.. shame about the price.. need to save up for that one!!
Ferral
 
Posts: 3923
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:59 am

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:32 pm

Hey Finn, any pics of the Fluid Juice??

Hear what you're saying about the pintail, but I think they still work well with a wider tail pod in solid waves. All that extra fin seems to negate any downsides to extra width in the tail when you need it to hold in.

I remember seeing some pics of Kirk's 7'6 Widow and think that was actually a squash or a square. Kirk - do you still have it?
Last edited by Archy_is_God on Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby skimmer2 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:51 pm

http://www.facebook.com/FluidJuiceSurfb ... Surfboards

Dunno if everyone can see this link unless they are a FB Friend - nice widowmaker for you guys...you will need to scroll down a bit.
skimmer2
 
Posts: 1731
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:33 am

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Cuttlefish » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:08 am

Another great variation to try is using FCS bonzer side fins in your widow set up.
On my 7' orange diamondtail they made the board go from "Oh no, what have I done"? when riding it as a single fin to "I'm never selling this", as a widow.
The carve's and bottom turns just get better.
They even felt good in my carbon 8'er but I'm trying out a Spitfire fin in that atm.
Spitfire is like a winged keel without the winged keel on the tip.
Works well if you're after move pivot.
Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us
User avatar
Cuttlefish
 
Posts: 410
Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:00 am
Location: Sunshine coast, Qld, Australia

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby finn67 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:07 pm

Archy,

Some pictures of the FJ 6'8". After trying a few fins I came to prefer the 8" rake; the others worked too but I think the board just felt better with the bigger fin. I suppose that's a matter of taste. These pictures show a larger side fin and again I settled on a 2.75". For me these boards are to be filed under "single fin". That's how they perform. The sides add a bit of bite and hold over a straight single and I find that very reassuring on good days.
Attachments
DSCF4045.JPG
DSCF4045.JPG (54.53 KiB) Viewed 4998 times
DSCF4047.JPG
DSCF4047.JPG (118.09 KiB) Viewed 4998 times
DSCF4049.JPG
DSCF4049.JPG (68.09 KiB) Viewed 4998 times
finn67
 
Posts: 10
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:31 pm

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby monosurfer » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:01 pm

Great thread Arch. Cuttlefish should post photo's of those side fins out of the Van Stralen if their the stubby ones, their trick.
MC said yesterday he was making one of his new stubbies for a guy that buys a lot of boards and I thought it might be you. :-)
monosurfer
 
Posts: 61
Joined: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:30 am

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:57 pm

finn67 wrote:. For me these boards are to be filed under "single fin". That's how they perform. The sides add a bit of bite and hold over a straight single and I find that very reassuring on good days.

I agree with this. All the good bits of a single with extra drive and hold...

I'm running a 7in Takayama 'pivot' fin with 3 5/8 Lokbox sides at the mo which seems to work well
:-)
User avatar
Archy_is_God
 
Posts: 4115
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:52 am
Location: Whey out Whest

Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Cuttlefish » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:33 pm

Too easy Mono,
Not me re the Stubbie though he told me about them a while back.
My shoulder is giving me a lot of pain atm and the best way I've found to settle it down is riding longer boards which allow me to keep my chest down on the deck more when paddling.
That means 7' + long. I'm looking at the 7'4" mal gun (weird I know) they have at Michael's.
Still been riding my 6'4" lazor zap the last few surfs though.
Here's a pic of the DVS sidebites....
Image

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Shapers Aust now sell the sidebiters from Dick which is very handy.
http://www.shapers.com.au/categories/Su ... Twin-Fins/

Good value at $29.95

Lastly if you want to see some crazy looking fins...
http://www.proboxhawaii.com/pages/fins/fins_page1.html

Click through pages 1-8 of the fin catalogue.

And if anyone is interested here's a link to the Spitfire fin I was referring to in an earlier post...
http://www.revolutionsurfer.com/product ... view&id=13

And a discussion about it and the quad set ups...
http://www2.swaylocks.com/node/1024448

That should keep you all busy.
Fins are fun...and can be much cheaper than buying a new board.
Not enough surfers experiment with their fins and they will make or break a boards performance.
User avatar
Cuttlefish
 
Posts: 410
Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:00 am
Location: Sunshine coast, Qld, Australia

Next

Return to Surfboards - Shaping and Board Design

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 4 guests