The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:14 am

Here's some footage of me surfing a NPJ 2+1 switchstance at Backdoor.... Well, it's actually Rastovich, but no harm in daydreaming

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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:38 am

Here you go Archie, a new s-deck stub with single and sidebite options. Comes with one of Mackie's hand foiled flex fins which are pretty insane. Unfortunately not mine, but someone's going to be pretty stoked.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Ferral » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:07 am

Oh my word I love the look of that, I can just imagine buttery cutbacks on rolling summer swells.. I'm aroused :oops: :lol:
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby elhornet » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:00 am

Damn that looks amazing. As does the thing Rasta is riding. What size is that one?
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:01 pm

Sorry, gents, took a while to get back to you- that board is a 5'11" although he does them up to 6'6" I believe, and really likes them- not a fully bladed out Liddle style hull, but S-deck, diamond tail and big old flex fin seems like plenty of fun. Mick's well happy, there's been plenty of swell for R&D and he's off for a bit of snowsurfing as well.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:34 pm

Sorry boys, but here's another I just saw at http://www.headhighglassy.blogspot.com
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5'10", poplar fins, shaped by Jamie Murray up a bit norht of San Francisco and a very tidy looking board. OK, back to what you were meant to be doing.....
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:24 am

That looks nice, cant beat a good blue tint.

Hoping some swell will be on it's way soon so I can get the 6'2 wet again... Surfed it last Sunday in solid storm surf, but it was pretty much Victory at Sea conditions and I was just happy to get out of the sea in one piece :? It did feel very smooth on a couple of solid drops though.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby VillageIdiot » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:10 pm

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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Ferral » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:28 pm

Looks like NPJ is shaping in France soon..

http://nealpurchasedesigns-france.com/

temptation!
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:26 pm

Ferral, I'd totally get on the chance of a board from NPJ if possible, his stuff just gets better and better. Took my big widow out for the first time in months and months as we finally had some swell- typical LA though, beachies weren't coping with it and the points were 100+ people running each over. It was fun just to be out with some actual punch in the swell though, especially after most of this year being 2 foot and onshore it seems. There was a lot of water moving around so it was hard to stay on the peaks and dodge the sets (I eventually lost out to a pretty huge 4 wave batch that broke outside the outside of the jetty where I was!) but that big old board did what it needed to do. Hopefully we'll have a week or so of manageable surf as this swell winds down and a couple of others come in behind it. I need the exercise. Here's a few photos from Joey Clams in New York fixing the sidebites on his Kidman/Parmenter influenced widow. Nice shot with the Mackie flextail he got a few years back too!
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:00 pm

Some nice boards on this page 8)

That Chris Jones looks just right for a bigger board, shame it's no longer in your hands, VI...

Kirk - Is that the Matt Moore you still have?
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby elhornet » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:22 pm

Kirk3 wrote:Here you go Archie, a new s-deck stub with single and sidebite options. Comes with one of Mackie's hand foiled flex fins which are pretty insane. Unfortunately not mine, but someone's going to be pretty stoked.
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Who shaped this? sorry if i missed the mention on the last page I did look.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:52 am

Archie- yeah, the big red Matt Moore- the thing is a brute of a board but when it goes it really goes and given the bigger waves I see are usually closeouts I'm not thinking too much about wanting to try a cutback.
Elhornet- It's a Mick Mackie, sorry I wasn't clear about that. He's sent me a few pictures of some really nice 2 + 1 stubs and his versions of a hull which are usually singles but always seem like they'd work great with sidebites.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby elhornet » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:07 am

something about that S deck stubby...its calling my name...
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:53 pm

Rode my 6'2 diamond yesterday after 3wks out of the sea (on mainland Europe) in howling onshore, sloppy beachbreak in the headhigh range. It went really well and had that great combination of glide and carry with the ability to turn quickly off the tail in little bowls and pockets that popped up where a parallel-railed fish style of board may have struggled.

Current fin set up is the 6.5 bamboo bonzer centre with some 3.8" Lokbox sides, all close-clustered. I have not tried the winged keel yet as I think it may have just a little bit too much tail rocker for the right angle of attack.

I would love to see a Terry Fitz Modern Drifta in the flesh to compare.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:52 pm

Elhornet,
I know what you're saying- this one is I think 6'5", EPS and seems to have a wing (I'll ask Mick if that's the case or if it's just the photo). Put a big flex fin and some sidebites in there and I could probably be very happy.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby elhornet » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:55 pm

No doubt, although I think 6'5 is a touch on the long side for me personally even at 100kg and 6'1 in height. Any idea what the damage is for one of these?
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby zboy » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:56 pm

heres a 2+1 mini sims
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havent tryed it yet tomorrow looking very good here in eire :-)
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby finlay » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:17 am

Kirk - what's the word on that blue finned channelbottom single? - sidebites trimmed off? It looks like it would work really very well.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:38 pm

Hey Finlay,
a guy in New York named Joey Clams built that- it's based off of a widowmaker template that Andrew Kidman and Dave Parmenter came up with and were very happy about. I think the deal was Joey felt it was a bit over finned so scaled down the sidebites, although it definitely looks like it'd be a lot of fun as single, especially with those channels. Here's Kidman's version, he did this for an Aussie guy living in Nor Cal
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Same guy got this too, the v-bottom channel monster

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AND I just set him up with this, a Mackie flextail

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The guy has the best quiver of odd Aussie boards ever! More power to him though, he works hard and spends money on left field hand shaped boards? He's a hero.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby splinter » Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:59 pm

Lovely thread this, been reading over the whole lot over a cup of tea....some lovely board-porn going on 8)

The template of the widowmaker reminds me a lot of my current board so am wondering whether it was maybe an inspiration of sorts for it:

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Skindog Transformer 6'2" x 21 x 2 & 5/8

Fooking love this board!

Favourite fin set up is 6.5" bamboo bonzer centre fin with 4" sidebites. Combines single fin glide with bite and heaps of drive through turns.

I came down from higher volumed boards and this board has progressed my surfing loads. My next experiment will involve coming down in volume again as I find this a bit of a beast when it pushes head-high and above, plus at 5'8" and 11 stone, I reckon I should be ok with a bit less volume, but at 36 probably won't be surfing tooth-picks any time soon.

Still to decide what to go for and from where, but will probably stick with the 2 plus 1 formula as it seems to suit me very well and I find it to be super-versatile.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:00 pm

Hey Splinter,

Hear what you're saying about the versatility and couldn't agree more.

I like the look of that outline and it is eerily similar to my 6'2", bar the wings. You even prefer the exact same fin set-up to me... spooky!

You're probably right about the sizing, too. My 6'2 is a little smaller all round and I'm 13st/6'1", but it's still a fair bit bigger than the dims I would ride as a shortboard.

Give me a nod if you see me in the sea sometime - I'll probably be riding goofy on a white GS 2+1 or the Diplock 6'6" with an Xcel suit, usually caught behind a section :lol:

I'm still loving the 2+1 tip and I'm really hoping to make more use of the Lynch 6'5" this winter - something I didn't get a chance to really do last season and certainly not had a chance to do this summer.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby splinter » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:36 pm

Archy_is_God wrote:Hey Splinter,

Hear what you're saying about the versatility and couldn't agree more.

I like the look of that outline and it is eerily similar to my 6'2", bar the wings. You even prefer the exact same fin set-up to me... spooky!

You're probably right about the sizing, too. My 6'2 is a little smaller all round and I'm 13st/6'1", but it's still a fair bit bigger than the dims I would ride as a shortboard.

Give me a nod if you see me in the sea sometime - I'll probably be riding goofy on a white GS 2+1 or the Diplock 6'6" with an Xcel suit, usually caught behind a section :lol:

I'm still loving the 2+1 tip and I'm really hoping to make more use of the Lynch 6'5" this winter - something I didn't get a chance to really do last season and certainly not had a chance to do this summer.


Hey fella,

Yeah I do like the feel of that Bonzer fin. Less rake = less drag perhaps?? I did have it set up with the four Bonzer sidebites originally but whacked the LBX2 4.0's in as an experiment and haven't changed it since.

Had a chat with Bro Diplock today regarding a new board and got talking dimensions and possibilities. He seems keen to keep most of the volume.....I'm still of the opinion I could lose a bit.......anyway could be heading for something similar but with more curve and rocker as I find late drops a bit of a handful on this board.......although that's probably down to me as much as anything else! :roll: Still...it makes for a nice excuse for a new board. :lol:

Yeah will look out for you. I'm also currently in an excel summer suit (O'Neil winter suit), riding regular, also usually well behind said section, or just plain getting caught up in the lip. :roll: :lol:
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby manatwork » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:58 am

Archy is god your story rings true for me also although I am still just recovering from multiple knee ops due to ligament and cartilage damage. Defo gives me a bit of hope to see people getting back in the water after injury!

Love these kinda boards but with a shed full of bladey 5 foot somethings that are totally useless to me I would need to go down the second hand or modify route rather than expensive custom to see if I can get on with his sort of thing. I am 5' 9" 65 kilos, surfed since I was 10 (now 36) but with little surfing over the last 3 years. ANYONE with a second hand single fin/ 2+1 / bonzer board thats might the bill for me please drop me a line. Cheers
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Kirk3 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:33 am

good old Kidman, he's posted up a chunk of his Parmenter interview and an array of nice photos here: http://www.andrewkidman.com/news/
Worth a look if you're inclined that way. Hopefully he'll have the Mullet video functional by the time you get there.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby VillageIdiot » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:33 am

Dix, I'm 14 1/2 stone. Same as you but one year older. Bought the w.m. after watching 'Glass Love' by Kidman where Neil Purchase talks through the design in detail. Definitely worth a watch. Rocker is low and it has a 'beaked' nose and 'thumb' tail, not that foiled really with modern rails. I've had some great waves at low tide croyde on it. Like Purchase said, they have a good combination of glide and response. They have plenty of bite and drive, great for cutting back.
Archy doesn't seem impressed with them though, as he's selling all his off !
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:16 am

On the contrary!

I just need a gun for a forthcoming trip and have two widows of similar size at present (6'5" and 6'6") so one has to go unfortunately....

In due course, I may go for another, more HP widow, possibly a channel bottom in the 6'8" range. It may be a while before I get round to this though!
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby VillageIdiot » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:54 pm

Sorry Archie, I shouldn't have been presumptuous. Just out of curiousity, who is shaping your gun ? What about borrowing one of Skelly's Brewers ?
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby VillageIdiot » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:54 pm

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Here you go Dixie, you spoilt b*st#rd ! That's all I've got. Don't say that I do nothing for you.
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Re: The 2+1 and Widowmaker discussion

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:09 pm

Blimey, not much chance of that happening I reckon!

Thankfully I don't need a full Rhino chaser anyway...

Not sure what the plan is yet, but won't be ordering a new custom unfortuntely :-(
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