Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardrop et

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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Cuttlefish » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:10 am

I had this made by Mark (posts as More) as a groveller for 1-3' waves.
Had a decent point swell last week/weekend and so took it out in 3-5' waves.
It went exceptionally well and held in like a champ with Sunny Garcia fronts and PC M5 rears (though GXQ's in pic).
As usual I'm experimenting with fins...
Ooops...dims: 5'10" X 22" X 3 1/8" (I'm 48, 94kgs, 6'1")
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Dick Van Straalen quad set (don't bother looking on the Shapers website, they ain't on there).
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Going to run them with the carbon GFT-1 (think that's what they are called) and GXQ rears next.
But this is a pic with M5's for size comparison.
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby splinter » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:48 pm

Lovely looking board there Cuttlefish.......I've been thinking ahead to our summer next year and contemplating getting something along those dimensions as a groveller/easy wave magnet myself.

Hard to tell from the pics.....where is the wide point? Also is it fairly flat rockered?
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby The Decorator » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:50 am

Since settling down on the Sunny coast I've been trying out heaps of boards I normally wouldn't bother with and have been suprised by what suits me the most. Back in the UK my standard shortboard was a bulk standard 6'3 18.5 2.5 soft square tail single concave thruster and I rode this in pretty much anything. On the journey through Indo to get here I lost a bit of weight and got a bit better at surfing. The 6'3 started to feel massive. On bigger days I was getting frustrated at not being able to get off the bottom and up the face quick enough, I always seemed to be nursing it a bit.

So gotta 5'11 18.25 2 1/16 !! Loved it until I got to Oz (WA) and had to put a wetty on and drink beer, by the time I got round to QLD the beer had replaced the weight of the wetty and I'm back to my normal 78kg (175cm). It became too small. So to now.. First off got a 5'10 20.25 2.5 wide point forward lot of volume under the chest and up into the nose kinda like a CI Gravy, good fun in the small stuff that is regular round here but a handful when it gets hollow or bigger. I still have it and surf it alot by my goo to boards now are these two...

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Left, is a copy of a Neal Purchase Jnr "sweet pea" it's 5'8 19.75 2 7/16 it's real flat through the middle but has a bit of a kick in the tail and jsut enough in the nose. There's a fair bit of foam in it almost to the extent that its got a bit of an "S" deck.

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But it loses the bulk into the rails

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It's obviously a quad (fins are hand foiled NPJ originals) and I ride this in hollow surf up to head high. It flies of the bottom and I don't think I've ever pearled it. It holds in in a barrel but is twitchy enough to adjust and pump while in there and it will go straight up if you want it to. I'm happy going both ways on this which is the first time I can say this for a quad. Unfortunately I snapped the bloody thing. Bart the shaper has done an amazing repair (pic are post repair!) but the added weight has definitly made it harder paddle and get into waves early. Good news is he's making me a new one witha Styrene blank K glass and epoxy. It'll be ready in the New Year in time to take to Indo 8)
It's limitations come about when the surf gets overhead, d'ya know what.. I should re type that.. MY limitations become apparent when it gets overhead. It's too fast and too skatey for me. I like the confidence that a thruster gives you. When it gets bigger I like my board to pick a line and if I decide to put it on a rail I want it to keep that line. Does that make sense?

So I then pick the Chilli. It's 5'11 18.75 2 5/16 and as you can see from the outline it still carries a bit of width up to the nose. I like it cos it's predictable, it gets in early and it will still drive hard off the bottom but won't run away without me. If I had to guess I'd say the wide point on both baord is pretty much on half way. The rails on the Chilli again are pretty predicatble and forgiving.

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So there ya have it. My 2p.

PS knocked off work early today, waves blown out so got a bit of time to kill :oops:
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby leemuzz » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:22 pm

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Just got my new board for the winter.
Dims are 5'10" 19 1/4 2 3/8

Specifically ordered for bigger days at hollow beachbreaks.
Initial report is good, very good, great hold and very fast, I can see this turning into my every wave board :o
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby leemuzz » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:23 pm

I do like the look of that diplock board tho
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:23 pm

Nice variety of boards, all for the same purpose. Interesting times...

Just noticed that Channel Islands are making 'step' versions of their stubbier HPSBs, like the Fred Rubble. I'm guessing the same principle of packing foam into a shorter board applies when looking at more solid waves.

Some of the boards that 'slab specialists' like Fergal Smith and Josh Kerr use are alarmingly short as well as narrow. I guess that is the way things have evolved for them with such a specific job in mind
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby zboy » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:07 pm

inspired by the blog jus got off the phone to ab3 and he's goin to be making a 5.11 long 19/ 20 wide. 2.5 thick pintail, 6 oz bottom and 4 plus 4 kevlar carbon weave top the same material as bullet proof vest, he said its going to be bomb proof. single to double to vee bottom the nose is going to be like a dwart and the rocker of a shortboard cant wait 5 loxbox plugs these only one place for this board jus hope we get a good spring swell!!!! fingers crossed will post pics when done :-) yippee
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Cuttlefish » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:07 am

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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby AB3 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:32 pm



Shame it's not Kevlar then I said to zboy it looked like carbon/Kevlar lol
it's a different material altogether :o)
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby zboy » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:51 pm

:oops: in the excitment of the moment,should listen more carefully :lol: :-)
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Cuttlefish » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:17 pm

Read a nasty rumour that some large board manufacturers having been lamming " :shock: carbon look" rice paper on their boards tails.
Talk about emperors new clothes.
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby AB3 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:04 pm

Cuttlefish wrote:Read a nasty rumour that some large board manufacturers having been lamming " :shock: carbon look" rice paper on their boards tails.
Talk about emperors new clothes.



you can get carbon veil which is like rice paper in thickness so real easy to glass with but you have to buy a roll to get some :-(
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:24 pm

Lookin forward to the AB3/Zboy collab 8)
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Cuttlefish » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:26 am

Speaking of short step ups.
Look what Santa's bringing for christmas.
http://plus.coastalwatch.com/wavetracker
Hopefully you can see the swell chart for Christmas day.
Here's a more basic outlook...
http://www.seabreeze.com.au/graphs/qld1.asp
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Archy_is_God » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:41 pm

Got the new stick! Photos to follow 8)

Now, what can we do about this surf.......?
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby leemuzz » Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:50 pm

Got the new stick! Photos to follow

Now, what can we do about this surf.......?


What did you go for?
Look forward to seeing some pics
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby dixie » Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:11 am

I HAD A TIM STAFFORD BONZER EVO 6 (LOOK IT UP ON THE OLD FOR SALES FOR A PIC)
ooops it was 6'4 x 21'1/2 x 3 im 14 1/2 stone n i rode it " easily " on a big day...big enuff for me even tho it was a t saunton.......but it was a chunky day

BUT i feel much safer/confident when out on my 7'4 blacker singlr fin pintail...............i think its in my head seeing more baord in front of u as you drop just feels ...safer n more solidly in place? just me
but my stafford bonzer pod was a good big and small wave weapon

so is a 6'6 gulfstream speed dialer tho so....... :idea: :?:
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:04 am

leemuzz wrote:
Got the new stick! Photos to follow

Now, what can we do about this surf.......?


What did you go for?
Look forward to seeing some pics


6'1" x 19 5/8 x 2 5/8" Single to double/spiral vee

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Stoked! Looking forward to giving it a run at some point.... sooner rather than later would be good :D
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby splinter » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:03 pm

Very nice....now please make this wind stop!

What fins did you get?
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:59 pm

Just waiting for a Stretch 5-fin Hex set. The blue fins are an old set of V2 F4s, which may do an alright job anyway.... However, at this rate, I could be waiting a while to get in the sea to find out :evil:
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby zboy » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:31 pm

sweet, nice detail of red fin boxes with white ones love pure white plain finish very nice bet you r frothing to get it wet. :-)
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby kookster » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:00 am

Very very nice Archy. I'm headed down that same road with one of Pridmore's Quadfathers, but mine will have a lot of beef in it, like 6'3 x 20.5 x 2.75, but a refined version of those dims if you get my drift. Bit of a step back towards the mainstream from the McCoy path.
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby leemuzz » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:03 pm

That looks very nice Archy, lets hope the wind drops this weekend so we can all get in for a surf.

Splinter, have you had much chance to ride yours yet? Im now thinking of having a little chat with diplock for something very similar, but a little shorter
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby splinter » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:09 pm

leemuzz wrote:Splinter, have you had much chance to ride yours yet? Im now thinking of having a little chat with diplock for something very similar, but a little shorter


Not much but have had a few more sessions on it since the last ride report, all at Puts so far, whenever the wind has veered southerly enough for it to be sheltered.

First session was only about waist high, on the drop, fairly weak. Was pleasantly surprised actually as caught a bunch of waves and had fun so it's proven more versatile than I thought it would be. Kind of echoes the things people say about the Mollusc, which is a similar shape.

2nd session was mid tide on the drop, around head high or slightly over, wind cross/offshore, quite sucky, pulling up a lot of sand and closing out until I lucked out on a nice sandbar for about 30 mins and got some lovely steep faces which were peeling, (kind of like rocking horse shit at Puts on the drop!) Had an absolute blast. I can't get over how buttery smooth the board is on the drop and how happily it will sit in the pocket, yet will also respond to pumping/turning with heaps of drive.

3rd session was the final hour of the push over high tide, waves quite a bit fatter, about chest high. Again just had loads of fun and caught some fun peelers.

This is my favourite board to date (been surfing about 13 years) and my first from Diplock. Can't recommend the guys enough.

I am now considering getting a second board for the summer which is shorter, wider and thicker, very similar in the tail which is pulled in and round but with wide point forward and lower rocker, kind of like the Dwart, again from Diplock. They call it the "Mushy Pea"........that belongs in another thread I guess as this one is about step-ups! I reckon I'll have most things covered between the 2 boards then.
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Archy_is_God » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:36 pm

Smelly loves his Mushy Pea.

He was on it the last time I saw him in the sea, probably a couple weeks before Xmas. It was a pretty good day - overhead and clean, around midtide at Croyde on the drop. He had a couple of belters on his backhand. Looked like you could push it quite hard for a 'small wave' board.
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby splinter » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:20 pm

Archy_is_God wrote:Smelly loves his Mushy Pea.

He was on it the last time I saw him in the sea, probably a couple weeks before Xmas. It was a pretty good day - overhead and clean, around midtide at Croyde on the drop. He had a couple of belters on his backhand. Looked like you could push it quite hard for a 'small wave' board.


Nice....that's good to hear.

I'm considering it in 5'8" or 5'10" but a fair bit wider than the norm......poss up to 21 1/2" wide :shock: and quite thick (2 7/8) as a bit of a "summer groveller" for the weaker swells and lazy days. I'm thinking that the shorter length will "fit" better into smaller faces...?

Still undecided though on final dimensions. :?:
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby leemuzz » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:29 pm

Splinter. I have a beach beat version of the dwart that I have been toying with the idea of selling. It's 5'11" x20 3/4 x 2 3/4 loads of volume in all the right places and was my go to board for most conditions last year, if your interested
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby splinter » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:46 pm

interesting......will send you a pm.

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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby Archy_is_God » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:22 pm

Just spotted this little puppy on the Gulf Stream site

http://www.gulfstreamsurfboards.co.uk/p ... -1-2-.html

Looks like a lot of fun
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Re: Short step-ups: Wizard Sleeve, Rusty Slayer, 4th Teardro

Postby splinter » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:42 pm

yep a shorter, wider, thicker version of that would be just the ticket.......
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