Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

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Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:21 am

Here are the three internal panels for the 10'5" Hotkurl. Three layers are used rather than the usual two, so that they can be made thinner, this allows them to be bent more easily to the required rocker and the bottom concave.

The central panel has frames and blocking running athwartships. Since the central panel is on the neutral axis, fore and aft orientation is not necessary for strength.

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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Chris F » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:06 am

I just did a hot kurl. Curry last night.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:38 pm

Whatever.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Cuttlefish » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:43 pm

It all makes sense when you see the link here.
More coat tail marketing from the anti-industry reactionary.
There is an actual (respected) surfboard shaper in NZ building hot curls that look very functional by the way, name of Roger Hall.
Smorgasboarder magazine have featured the board in its pages.
Here's a link to his Hot curl boards
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:23 am

I've been doing these shapes since 1997, so stfu.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Rickyroughneck » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:32 am

So the board will be thinner and heavier? Why?
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:05 am

Thinner than what?

Perhaps you didn't understand what I meant. I'm using three thinner layers rather than two thicker ones, for the inside panels.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:07 am

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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby bluyan » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:44 pm

looks interesting...whens it going out? and what are you expecting?
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:32 am

The ETL can't be accurately predicted, but the ride can since I built one almost identical to this one in the year 2000.

The ride is like the 12-9 Makaha but with a single concave bottom, downrails, more tail rocker and a higher angle of attack on the tunnel the board will feel faster and more nimble, will need a bit of a pump to get the foil working and flying .
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby mountain man » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:47 am

So, and a serious question here - which end is the nose and which the tail? Looks interesting etc but in all honesty I just cannot see how that is a functional surfboard.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:56 am

I assure you that it is highly functional, as anyone with a moderate grasp of surfboard design could tell by seeing what you have been shown.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby D-fin » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:20 am

I really don't understand this board.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:27 pm

Ah well never mind.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby defever » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:58 am

Roy Stuart wrote:Ah well never mind.


Have you given up arguing?!

What's the update on Hotkurl, Mr Stuart?
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby mountain man » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:21 am

And have you decided which end is the nose and which the tail?
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Stan » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:59 am

The blunt end is the front to cater for Roys love of nose riding
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:11 pm

defever wrote:
Roy Stuart wrote:Ah well never mind.


Have you given up arguing?!

What's the update on Hotkurl, Mr Stuart?


"I don't understand" is not something one can argue with.

The shaping is nearly finished, and we have been invited to have it feature in a magazine with 650,000 readers, the editor specified that he only wanted to include a board with a price of one million USD or more.

Anyway I'm very happy with the shape.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:18 pm

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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby tynemouthmatt » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:03 pm

Looks ace.

Whats the nose & tail rocker?
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Cuttlefish » Wed May 01, 2013 12:18 am

Roy Stuart wrote:
defever wrote:
Roy Stuart wrote:Ah well never mind.


Have you given up arguing?!

What's the update on Hotkurl, Mr Stuart?


"I don't understand" is not something one can argue with.

The shaping is nearly finished, and we have been invited to have it feature in a magazine with 650,000 readers, the editor specified that he only wanted to include a board with a price of one million USD or more.

Anyway I'm very happy with the shape.


Wheres the validity in putting a million dollar price tag on the board if you've never sold a board for anything remotely like that figure?
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Wed May 01, 2013 2:54 am

tynemouthmatt wrote:Looks ace.

Whats the nose & tail rocker?


Six inches, nose and tail, with about 5.5 inches through the centre line due to the concave. The tunnel reduces the effective tail rocker at speed, and gives a variable effective rocker. The same shape works well with 3 inches or less.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Wed May 01, 2013 3:01 am

Cuttlefish wrote:
Roy Stuart wrote:
defever wrote:
Have you given up arguing?!

What's the update on Hotkurl, Mr Stuart?


"I don't understand" is not something one can argue with.

The shaping is nearly finished, and we have been invited to have it feature in a magazine with 650,000 readers, the editor specified that he only wanted to include a board with a price of one million USD or more.

Anyway I'm very happy with the shape.


Wheres the validity in putting a million dollar price tag on the board if you've never sold a board for anything remotely like that figure?



What's the validity of your opinion when you show that you know next to nothing about the ultra highly priced end of the luxury goods market? Those in the know don't ask such stupid questions, they know that their customers like extremely high prices as the items are thus exclusive to the very rich. The boards are also unique, which helps. How many other boards do you know of whose shape would identify the manufacturer/designer without the help of a label or logo?

I notice that you have attempted to reduce the price by more than 30% in the post above, sorry but that won't do it is 1.47 million not a million.

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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby mountain man » Wed May 01, 2013 8:20 am

"Those in the know don't ask such stupid questions"

Speaking of stupid then, someone would be really stupid to spend 1.47 million on a surfboard. If you get that, then good luck to you but that is utterly ridiculous.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby defever » Wed May 01, 2013 9:10 am

Well, I'm sure someone will pay up a million USD for it, because that someone will have the money to waste and they can.

BUT, I have a feeling it won't be ridden... It'll either get hung on a wall or displayed on an exhibition or somewhere far away from waves... How does that feel to you Mr Stuart, as a board shaper / fine craftsman?

Will you be satisfied to let it go for 1.47million to someone who probably knows little about surfboards let alone surfing?
Or, would your heart settle if you let it go at a more affordable price to someone who will have a life-long stoke on water with it?

I don't expect a straight answer from you, but just wondered how you'll respond to that...
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby mountain man » Wed May 01, 2013 9:17 am

Shit, if someone paid me 1.47 mill then sod the integrity!
I agree, will never be ridden (and quite frankly not made for being surfed inspite of Roys insistance otherwise). Hung on a wall by someone with more money than sense. Still money talks and bullshit walks...
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Black » Wed May 01, 2013 9:36 am

Roy Stuart wrote:How many other boards do you know of whose shape would identify the manufacturer/designer without the help of a label or logo?

:idea: Hmm sounds like a new fun thread..... if I can find the time.
If I made a board that sold for a million I'd be happy if it got surfed or not. You can admire the beauty of a Ferrari without driving it although that is what it was meant for. Not equating Roy's boards with Ferraris, just an example of an expensive thing.....
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Cuttlefish » Wed May 01, 2013 10:21 am

How many luxury items (surfboards or otherwise) have you sold for more than a million dollars?
Answer the question.
Insert sounds of chirping crickets here.
So your expertise is based entirely on hearsay.
But carry on with your pomposity.
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Re: Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Postby Roy Stuart » Wed May 01, 2013 10:14 pm

defever wrote:
Well, I'm sure someone will pay up a million USD for it, because that someone will have the money to waste and they can.

BUT, I have a feeling it won't be ridden... It'll either get hung on a wall or displayed on an exhibition or somewhere far away from waves... How does that feel to you Mr Stuart, as a board shaper / fine craftsman?

Will you be satisfied to let it go for 1.47million to someone who probably knows little about surfboards let alone surfing?
Or, would your heart settle if you let it go at a more affordable price to someone who will have a life-long stoke on water with it?

I don't expect a straight answer from you, but just wondered how you'll respond to that...


A board which is not used lives to ride another day... these boards should last for many hundreds of years if not ridden, so hanging one on a wall just keeps it for later.

In any case the money will definitely lead to more of these boards being built and ridden, possibly even some more affordable foam ones.

Plus, it will do great things for my family, and have interesting effects on the surfing world and industry which will only be positive.
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