Adding vs. Taking Away...

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Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Leven » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:57 am

It occurred to me the other day, that every magic board I've ever had, has been the one with the least amount of "design features". Simple plans, clean lines, minimal rocker, minimal concaves, smooth etc.

With all these chop tails, fin set ups, and channels making a comeback, I just wondered what other peoples experiences are?
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Philshoz » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:22 am

I concur young man, keep it simple.

I always gravitate to round tails, full rails.

Clean, clean, clean.
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Rickyroughneck » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:25 am

I would never buy a board with channels.
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby roberdy » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:43 am

Rickyroughneck wrote:I would never buy a board with channels.


Unless it is a Bonzer?
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby flacky » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:13 pm

No matter how many boards go through my hands, (and there's been many, Bonzer 5, Speed Dialler, Empire's Bonzer Quad, Twins, Thrusters, 2+1 longboards) I always end up with single fins, and all three have pinched rails, rolled bottoms.
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Cuttlefish » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:10 pm

Philshoz wrote:I concur young man, keep it simple.

I always gravitate to round tails, full rails.

Clean, clean, clean.


Sounds like you're describing the Astron zot McCoy single fin I just acquired.
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby usedtobe69 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:17 pm

Rickyroughneck wrote:I would never buy a board with channels.

why not?
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Philchapman » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:03 pm

Channels cause nose bleeds. Fact.
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby browncurtains » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:45 pm

my 2p
to me good waves need simple boards........
yet adding stuff can make a crappy wave feel good.
tbh on closer inspection,nowt is simple.
just some stuff is more subtle
that why i can only make shit boards
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Roy Stuart » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:36 am

I had a Byrning Spears 6 channel thruster which was an utter dog.
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby royal » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:23 am

"anything goes good in good surf..."

flatter, mushier waves need a design with less resistance to maximize whatever power you can...

how you get there is the ultimate question...

wider boards will also allow more experimentation/forgiveness than a sensitive pin tail, for example...
learn the rules, so you can break them properly

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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Philshoz » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:27 am

Roy Stuart wrote:I had a Byrning Spears 6 channel thruster which was an utter dog.


When did Byrne make boards from trees Roy......??...... :wink:
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Roy Stuart » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:37 am

I don't think he has :lol: it was 1987 a deep single concave to 6 channel, an ultra slow board, was talked into trading it for my trusty two board quiver (6' and 6'6" singles) by Derek the terrible at 'Island Style'. :-( Then I asked local shaper A Jordan to copy one of my quiver which was in the second hand rack and he botched it completely, it was nearly as bad as the Byring Spears.. in those days one got scant respect for ordering a singlefin, 'twas a syndrome which ultimately led to my current tree massacring insanity. 8)

I always thought that it was suspect to see toed in side fins stuck on channels which ran in some other direction, anyway simplicity is good if one can figure out what it actually means.
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Leven » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:44 pm

Philshoz wrote:I concur young man, keep it simple.

I always gravitate to round tails, full rails.

Clean, clean, clean.



How do you know I'm young?! I've seen other posts about your stalking ways.... :wink:
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Philshoz » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:55 pm

Leven wrote:
Philshoz wrote:I concur young man, keep it simple.

I always gravitate to round tails, full rails.

Clean, clean, clean.



How do you know I'm young?! I've seen other posts about your stalking ways.... :wink:


I always assume everyone is younger than me........... :-(
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby mister-griffster » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:40 pm

In my relatively limited experience I'd go the zen approach - I'm all about the rolled / flat bottom - pinched rails, smooth and neutral - to the untrained eye you'll be amazed how 'complex' a simple shape is - I just find it more 'friction' free, faster, sweeter - as Rob says, maximising what you have to play with - and on my shores that's generally a bit of gutless surf.

Each design feature of course is relative to the board in question - I generally find a more blended / neutral concave works better than a deep trashcan on most longboards - the right amount of roll - too much of either tends to sacrifice other elements of the boards performance.

To get an understanding of design features tho sometimes you have to turn the dials up to 11 and find it's extremities - then scale it back and refine until you hit the sweet spot - sometimes the smallest steps make the biggest leaps.

it's all good - but personally I find 'smoothies' more rewarding and tuned for my average waves and ability
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby browncurtains » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:14 pm

royal wrote:how you get there is the ultimate question...


boom !
i surf for 10,000 hours i get good at surfing
i shape, sand and glass for 10,000 hours i get good at making boards
i surf the boards i have shaped and understand the detail of that interaction for 10,000 hours............ i am a shaper?

The subtlest simplest board can still be complete dog, but an updated version of this http://www.surfresearch.com.au/00000064.html
by a real shaper
got me buzzing about channels for a while...
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby Roy Stuart » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:28 am

hmm nice
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Re: Adding vs. Taking Away...

Postby kayu » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:34 am

browncurtains wrote:
royal wrote:how you get there is the ultimate question...


boom !
i surf for 10,000 hours i get good at surfing
i shape, sand and glass for 10,000 hours i get good at making boards
i surf the boards i have shaped and understand the detail of that interaction for 10,000 hours............ i am a shaper?

The subtlest simplest board can still be complete dog, but an updated version of this http://www.surfresearch.com.au/00000064.html
by a real shaper
got me buzzing about channels for a while...
Ive always been intrigued by channel bottoms, but only attempted a few..........Col Smith had great success riding single-fin channels......I think channels only work to their potential in conjunction with the fin ,or fins......IE a single fin has channels parallel to centre , but a thruster or quad should have channels parallel with the the toe-in of the fins.....I also think they should be designed with a crowned Vee in front of the cluster so the centre runs deeper than the rail line , and the channels become shallower towards the the tail - all just my own thoughts--- I really want to build one to find out.........I think a channel bottom would be the easiest design I can think of to get wrong ----- there's a lot going on under these boards , but if it all works in unison , they are a unique ride.
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