Number two!

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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:00 pm

splinter wrote:Yeah got shaping 101. LOTS of links to youtube vids and useful threads on swaylocks saved too.

How did you guys tackle the rails on your boards? Did you measure and make some pencil/reference marks for your bands?


I made a simple rail marker out of an L shaped piece of foam with about 6 holes for a pencil pushed through it then just put some tape over it so it runs smooth. Run it down the side of the board and hey presto (I would upload a pic ..... but.... :oops: )

The next one I'm thinking maybe will be a chunky single fin around 6 10......but that may change by the time I get round to it. Glassing tomorrow......gulp!
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:02 pm

(oh and the next ones getting some colour for sure!!!!!) :-D
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Re: Number two!

Postby Philshoz » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:19 pm

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Re: Number two!

Postby splinter » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:43 pm

Ok cool.

Did either of you use a "fred" tool for the bottom rail band (tucked under edge)? Or did you freehand it with planer/sanding block/surform?
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Re: Number two!

Postby Philshoz » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:28 am

splinter wrote:Ok cool.

Did either of you use a "fred" tool for the bottom rail band (tucked under edge)? Or did you freehand it with planer/sanding block/surform?


Made a Fred from some old pirahna pine and a couple of short surfoam blades, a bit of work for 2 mins use...... :shock:

It does make a nice double bevel down there. ( remember, don't go near the back, 16"???? I think) leave a nice sharp rail for release.
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:03 pm

I'd never heard of a fred. Was freehand all the way...although I'm guessing it must be loads easier to replicate if you've used a template type thing. Seen quite a few bent up surform blades online that look quite handy!
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:02 am

Well, She's glassed and waiting in my van for a hotcoat or two! Glassing was interesting to say the least. One word of advice - if you read on swaylocks "whatever you do don't glass PU in your house as it will stink for ages" then its probably best not to ignore it !!! :oops:

After a bit of drama during glassing she's now looking ok - if a little grubby (too much moving around and no shed for her to live in!) I'm gonna try the acetone clean up thing tonight (if it stops raining!) and then maybe just maybe I'll get a hotcoat on. If not I may just baste the laps a bit more and stick her back in the van!!
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Re: Number two!

Postby blue_pig » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:24 pm

Epoxy in the house is a joy! I've done an epoxy board in my old van too - no stink and crank up the heater to help it go off.

This is a great thread - almost enough to turn me away from wood builds and try a turn to the dark side.. LoveFoam? Loving it. Keep at it, and here's hoping you get on it with the colours
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:47 pm

Cheers blue pig. Yes I think I'd like to try an epoxy.This working outside thing is a drag! Any downsides with epoxy or is it all good?

Hotcoated base today. Image

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Gonna need a bit of sanding I think. Not doing freelaps again - that short cut is a red herring if you ask me! Cutlaps and a tint on the next one for sure!
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Re: Number two!

Postby tynemouthmatt » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:56 am

Epoxy is great, much stronger than poly but harder to work with.

Harder to finish and doesn't sand as well
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:14 am

Stronger than poly..... (hmmm double edged sword I think since smashing my face into a surftech a few years ago!) ...still gotta be worth a go if I can work with it in the house! When you say the finish is not as good how does that relate to a sanded resin tint finish? ....(I'm thinking quite dark ...but is that jumping in the deep end a bit? )
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Re: Number two!

Postby Morning Light » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:16 am

EPS is good , but boy its messy... split open a giant bean and tip it all over your floor , then you come kinda close to the mess of shaping up an EPS...
But hey , it is different , and aload less fumes, but in my opinion , smells worse.
I didn't spit and polish my only Eps, but don't think it would take a huge amount to buff up !!

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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:43 am

Beans eh?! hmmmm. That board looks lovely. I have a friend who has surfed one of your Simmons and nothing else for the past two years. Loves it! (Not an epoxy one though I don't think.)
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Re: Number two!

Postby g_baby » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:17 am

Beans beans are good for your heart...
hijack over and out. :-D
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Re: Number two!

Postby blue_pig » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:49 pm

Sanded epoxy looks good - a bit Matt but go to 1200 grit wet then something like t-cut gives a good finish. Not mega shines like polished polyester but for me not needing to mask up and able to glass in the house plus me liking a sanded finish = win win. Just heard a few issues with some people having allergic skin reactions to the resin or the dust. Glass in gloves then wetsand. My Simmons replica will get a tint / cut lap so there was a good video link on swaylocks - will post when I get it.

Here:
http://compositecorner.wordpress.com/20 ... ted-resin/

The guy is working with polyester but I'm gonna try the same technique on the Simmons rep.
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:30 pm

Brilliant vid. Great tip about splitting the tape on sharp corners and his technique soaking the laps is ridiculous!
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Re: Number two!

Postby Philshoz » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:11 pm

Great Video, really enjoyed that.............some good tips...
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Re: Number two!

Postby hentex » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:25 pm

thumbs up for that vid, but am im being stupid, why did he tint the patch pink, and then just lam the double 6 over the top in the same megenta colour as the bottom, i really cant get my head around what the finished board would look like doin that, will the deck be ever so slightly lighter megenta/darker pink, seems like a real BAD colour clash combo? :? Maybe it shows why I would rather be a glasser than shaper, I'm just resin porn whore :twisted:
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Re: Number two!

Postby benjamin007 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:44 pm

Looks soooo satasfiying to do, love a bit of tint.....got me excited for my triple resin tinted Dharma again!
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Re: Number two!

Postby Philshoz » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:52 pm

hentex wrote:thumbs up for that vid, but am im being stupid, why did he tint the patch pink, and then just lam the double 6 over the top in the same megenta colour as the bottom, i really cant get my head around what the finished board would look like doin that, will the deck be ever so slightly lighter megenta/darker pink, seems like a real BAD colour clash combo? :? Maybe it shows why I would rather be a glasser than shaper, I'm just resin porn whore :twisted:


Get with the programme hentex, he was glassing two different boards…… :roll:
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Re: Number two!

Postby hentex » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:00 pm

:shock: HAHA really.. thats so funny.. oh man now i see them both stacked up next to each other, how embarrassing :oops:
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Re: Number two!

Postby Morning Light » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:10 pm

That little vid is bitchin, very helpful indeed...
It's great when the pro's share there tips.
Very much like the tip of leaving the resin to go off 75% before getting the old razor blade out...
I normaly leave mine for hours before cutting/peeling the laps, it works Ok, but not always easy to get them perfect, and you need a very good razor too ...
Resin tints are very nice, but can look rubbish if not careful ...
Thanks for your comment Jp, your board also looks good mate , it's great more and more back yarders are having a go...
We gotta start some where eh ... 8)
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:21 pm

Yeah think I have a long way to go before my glassing looks like that. So jealous of his tidy cutlaps!!!! :lol:

I had a busy day in the yard today - Doing some finnage and hotcoating the deck ........

First marking them out took a while.....nearly made a horrendous mistake by measuring from the stringer out but thank god for Swaylocks and this forum and I rectified it just in time! My original shapers dots are way waaaay out though!

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Trying to get the deck bond in this one......not easy when it hits a rail!!!
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And finally....all taped up like a mo fo!
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Unfortunately I realised today Seabase sent me centre plugs for my extra quad fins!......GRRRR.... so the last two have to wait!
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:26 pm

And ended the day with a hotcoat in the yard!

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....Luckily no flies or leaves or too much dust landed on her today. .........oh how I dream of a shed!!!!
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Re: Number two!

Postby Philshoz » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:43 pm

Looking good Jayboy……

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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:51 pm

Ta Phil. Not quite the same quality of finish as the first. But I think with a sand she'll be acceptable ( for a garden build!)

Never been a shed fan til I started this. I've truly been converted! ......sheds n tools. Sheds n tools!!!!! :lol:
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Re: Number two!

Postby Morning Light » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:29 pm

DUDE, how on earth did you not get loads of bits on that lovely hot coat ??
I would love to work out in the open, but find every little fly , wasp, and dust particle etc, all ways get caught up...
Hell, i really struggle in my garage keeping it clean of hair ( black lab hair at that), dirty dust, and bits from sandpaper discs...
Theres always some thing stuck in my finished boards lol :roll:
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Luck of the draw bud. Throughout the build though a different matter. All sorts of shit has landed on her. red shit. black shit. green shit. All sorts ! ....... Im calling her the mucky pup for that very reason !
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:24 pm

Bloody hell I've finally finished it!!!!!!!
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Re: Number two!

Postby JayP » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:52 am

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