McCoy Nuggets

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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby kayu » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:14 am

We share a common goal Arch........performance ........... the only bottom line . ....watch this space..... :wink:
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby thechimp » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:58 pm

nice, very nice,
and for uk based guys am selling my travel board, 7'11 surftech nugget, the last of the original single fin ones, mccoy boomerang fin,
21 3/4 wide x 3 1/4 69l volume. No dings just a few scratches all white and light blue to purple stripe on deck with yellow lines.
Really good nick about 4 years old, bought new in WA, just back from three month trip so will put in 'for sale' when i have thawed out and cleaned all the rock hard tropical wax off, Ocean and earth travel bag, location south devon, £350, pm if any interest,
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby mikolas » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:15 am

thechimp--Do you still want to sell the 7'11" McCoy single? I am living in Honolulu but would be willing to pay for shipment. Let me know as I have been looking for this board. Cheers.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby thechimp » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:20 am

Hi, the board is now on the 'for sale' section with pics.
Will try and research cost of shipping, and get back.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby thechimp » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:03 am

sent you PM mikotas
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby nawgy1979 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:09 pm

Tempted on trading in my Nugget for a Lazor Zap; good idea or not ?
I have owned a Lazor Zap before but onlt the Surftech version which was too light.
Appreciate your views.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:59 pm

Back on a McCoy for another spin.
Picked up a lightly used Astron zot (single fin) 6x 22" x 3".
I'd briefly surfed a 6'8" zot and also the same guy's 6'10" all round nugget and come to the conclusion that they both had much more foam than I needed.
I'm 50, 6'1" and 90-92 kgs.
The two boards were ok to paddle but when paddling for a wave I felt like they had too much bouyancy for their length and had trouble tapping into the wave energy passing below me when paddling into waves.
So down to a 6'er.
It floats me at belly button level with the board level in the water underneath me.
Took it for a spin at fullish Currumbin yesterday afternoon.
Felt very good to paddle in the flats.
Caught waves with relative ease.
Waves were a weird mix.
1-2' with some slightly larger ones that would break further out but would run into deep water and peter out before hitting the inside bank.
The inside bank was providing a lot of closeouts but it improved as the tide rose and some long ones were on offer.
The zot likes to be bottom turned before running along the face.
A couple of waves I angled my take off as I would with my quad to get a shallow bottom turn to run along a fast breaking wall and the inside rail wouldn't give me any bite and I'd end up falling into the face.
Instead drop down the face and do a proper bottom turn and I was rewarded with a really nice dose of speed and a drag free, loose feeling from the board.
One thing I enjoy about all of the McCoys I have owned is there willingness to surf top to bottom.
After one surf I would say I prefer the zot over my previous 6'4" lazor zap 2011 model thruster is it's quicker response to my input.
The zap would turn but I'd think about turns and eventually the zap would do them.
The zot turns more freely and quickly so little flicks here and there when keeping busy on a gutless wave would keep it going.
Need to stay in the pocket and on fatter sections it doesn't have the glide of concaved bottom boards.
Having said that on my first wave after doing bottom turn and off the top the wave fattened up and I straight away moved forward on the board (forgetting I wasn't riding my wide nosed Takayama scorpion quad) and it still kept going and allowed me to move my feet back without it stalling.
Do that on a lazor zap and it would bog instantly.
About to go for another surf.
Looks like there will be minimal time to get used to the board for me.
Already feels very good as a compliment to the Takayama scorpion quad (6'8") which has become almost a one board quiver in the six months I have had it.
Two very different boards but not mutually exclusive so good to have the polar opposites.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby nawgy1979 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:18 am

Hey Cuttlefish.

I agree with your ride thoughts on the Zot and I know that Kieran (oldguysrip) on here had a similar experience in that going smaller on the zot makes for a different experience. My only comment would be that I have moved from a 6'8 zot to a 6'4 version (Kieran beat me to getting hold of a mint 6'0 that came up 2nd hand !) and I didnt experience the issue of the wave moving under me due to too much buoyancy on the 6'8 - I found that both are fine. I certainly found this with my Lazor Zap (Surftech) due to the corkiness of the board. I would really love to get my hands on a 5'8 or 5'10 which would better suit me at 76kgs and 5'10 and I am thinking of trading down to a smaller version again.

For a whole year I had the gullwing moved right to the front of the box as an experiment on the 6'8 and loved how loose the board was but I haven't moved it from the centre since riding the 6'4 just to suss the board out. For me the board is the most manoeuvrable of any board I have ridden but I do find that in flat spots and in weak waves it loses a lot of speed at times, more so than my fish for example, but this is probably due to me but also the bottom contours.
I have never ever had the board spin out on me even in really hollow waves (if anything it is even better in these conditions), but I do agree that a good bottom turn really helps generate speed and project you out; I love the speed you get of dropping in on the zot and bottom turning - it really is so smooth and secure.

I have a 6'6 Nugget and hardly ever ride it (should do really) as I always choose the zot. Incidentally, I am seriously looking at pulling the trigger on a Lazor Zap soon in either a 6'0 or 6'2 so it is interesting to hear your comments on the zot v zap !
By the way, what version is your Scorpion, proper or surftech ?
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:45 pm

This is mymate's impression of the zot from an observers perspective
"I witnessed Cuttles christen his Zot, we had 3 surfs together just round the corner from you. My best advice to anyone thinking of a Zot is watch how Cheyne Horan surfs his mccoys on YouTube then imitate! Cuttles spent a lot of time watching Cheyne first hand in his youth and it shows.

In the first session we got some good long waves which were more rollers with steep sections popping up and the Zot ran freely. Cuttles just keeps working his tic tacking along and we were both surprised how well the Zot went in these types of waves. Cuttles was able to do some nice cutties and close out re entries.

Second surf was a tricky semi close out beachie. The Zot performed well going off the bottom and off the top......which might be the key to riding the Zot.

Third surf, a crowded beach which had some nice peelers. Again not ideal Zot waves (I would ve thought) but Cuttles picked off some good sets and tic tacked along some sweet walled up sections, hitting the lip then cutting back into the pocket as the shoulder fattened up.

Cuttles is 90+ kg and the 6" ft Zot floated him easily."
I was able to spin the tail out on a couple of steeper drops by angling a take off as I would on a quad to beat a sectioning fast take off.
Then the tail would let go as I wasn't able to engage the rail enough in the steep face.
As I have said doing a bottom turn negates this issue.
Too bad on some waves there isn't time to do that.
Turning to the scorpion.
It is a desert island board.
Surftech 6'8"
I don't find it corky at all.
I suspect the fused eps core has changed that characteristic on the build.
So I completely forget about its construction when riding it.
Bought it for surfing in the crowds we get here. Didn't want a poly version as I wanted a board that could be dinged and just keep on riding it. Also to have a light board for long surfs in point waves with long paddles back out.
Since I've bought it I have ridden it in 6-8" to ankle snappers. Fat, slow point waves to hollow beach breaks. Works in everything.
For those who are not trying to ride hpsb's to a pinnacle of contest style surfing this board is a quiver killer.
Still great to ride a zot that gives a completely different feel on the wave for variety of course.
My quiver is very diverse in its shapes/lengths.
It's early days but if you have a zot suited to your weight and ability I don't know if a zap would bring any more wave riding fun unless your stance is highly backfoot weighted.
The zot is a lot more forgiving.
I'm probably lucky is so far as I have ridden the single fin zap back when they first came on the scene (lived at Bondi) and then the current thruster zaps and now able to ride the single fin zot.
I'd be more interested in hearing your thoughts if you and also Burnsie rode a zot in the 5'8" range which would still float/paddle you well.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:56 am

Great review, Cuttle

You ridden it in bumpy/onshore stuff at all yet?

How does it go on your backhand?
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:49 am

Few more thoughts...

Ok, ok.
First off it paddles through the flats very well.
Floats me with board level in the water at belly button-lowest rib deep.
Duck diving is easy enough if not too many in a row.
First wave drop down the face and bottom turn with a really nice free feeling coming from underfoot.
Not all singles feel like this.
Experienced the same feel when bottom turning Old grom's zot (but my 6'er is a lot easier for me to catch waves on than your 6'8"....sorry Old grom).
After the bottom turn back up the face into a top turn and still feeling nice and loose.
By then the wave had fattened up. Without even thinking I moved forward on the board since I'm so used to my Takayama acorpion (19" nose) but instead of instantly bogging as a lazor zap would if I did this, it kept on going.
Not gliding, mind you but still going which then allowed me to find another pocket and do another top turn.
Felt good and boded well for the future with this board.
I'd caught the wave easily enough and it hadn't done anything weird and thrown me off.
Since I'd been riding the scorpion as a quad it was habit kicking in again when I angled a takeoff on a steeper one that required speed off the takeoff to beat the first section.
The board didn't allow me to set a rail and so I faceplanted into the wall.
Lesson one: bottom turn rather than angle the take off.
Rather than pumping the board for speed on fuller walls like most other boards the zot worked better with a tick, tacking series of turns (noted by JAM71 already).
The zot likes to be turned and feels at home in the pocket.
Unlike fish and the like that feel great punping up for speed out into the flats for a cutback the zot will bottom to reo with an effortless smoothness.
Had one wave that was a right running into a left and was able to do a really nice reo that hit the oncoming lip and left the wide tail sliding around and then dropping down the whitewater with ease.
Comparing to the zap I had I know its going to be a more forgiving ride with its wider nose.
This board is no modern hpsb by any means.
But its a free feeling, pocket dweller for anyone who misses doing the bottom turn into vertical reo combinations that were the stuff of power surfing in the 80's and can be done with minimal effort from the rider.
It floats me the same as my Takayama 6'8" but I did miss quite a few waves simply because I was so used to sitting further out on the Takayama which has a concave under the nose which helps it plane earlier.
So it's a great compliment to the quad as it puts you back squarely in the pocket.
I look forward to riding it in some 2-4' waves at my local soft arse point where it should go really well regardless of tide.
Mid tide sessions at the beachbreaks should be a lot of fun on it.
If the tide's low I'll ride my scorpion to get me in earlier. If the tide's high I'll take the scorpion again as a outside-inside bank connector.
I've only had a couple of quick lefts but the bottom turn felt good underfoot. Pretty sure it's going to be fun on the backhand with its wide round tail that's going to be happy to pivot off the bottom and top.
No onshore waves yet.
Did have a couple of waves that had sections that mimicked a windswell wave and the zot reacts quickly enough to be able to do a quick lip hit when a wall steepens up and then quick cutbacks to stay with the power.
My zap always felt slow to react to my input and thats ultimately why I let it go.
The zot just feels quicker in that respect which is a relief.
Certainly was re-assuring to paddle it out and have fun in the very first surf on it.
After experimenting with the stumpy and zap and them proving too limiting for my tastes I was quite nervous before my first surf on it.
Both the stumpy and the zap left me non-plussed after my first surfs on them.
The zap provided good fun with some "omg" turns while I was "stumped" by the stumpy.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:36 am

Stoked!

I'm guessing you are using the Gull fin? I know that Tombstone over on Sways likes his with a Starfin as he reckons it's a little drivier...

They are intriguing little boards for sure and I still like McCoy's attitude and approach. I hope he finds a protege to take the baton from him at some point...
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:07 am

Yep, using the gullwing No2 (medium rake) which came with it.
Unfortunately I sold my spitfire fin a while back to Surffoils (Sways) but I have a wavegrinder which another ex-zot rider used with success for him.
The gullwing is feeling really good with it's trailing edge at 18.5 cms off the tail per McCoy's recommendation on his website.
Just read through the old zot thread on Sways a few days back. What an odyssey!
Can't recall where Tombstone said he was using a starfin.
Can you give me the page No?
I jest!
It will be a terrible shame to not have anyone carry on his label but hey, there's only one "real McCoy". :wink:
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Bearded Gimp » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:11 am

anyone know the deal with the Surfboard Agency eps mccoys? http://surfboardagency.com/xf-technology/

Edit: this is a better link http://surfboardagency.com/mccoy-all-round-nugget/
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:10 am

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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:06 pm

interesting! That's a new development...

Cuttle - have a look at Tombstones blog (google lyttlestreet and WordPress) for his review on his zot

BTW, that's him at the bottom of the page on the link the BG posted above
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

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Re: McCoy Nuggets

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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Bearded Gimp » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:47 pm

good find nawgy. so it's not just the all-round but the zap and double ender as well. 5'6 zap is rather tempting....
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:23 pm



Looks like Geoff is planning for the future.
Wise move on his part.
Can't keep shaping forever.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby nawgy1979 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:05 am

Who the heck are these guys that are producing the boards....and more to the point why is the main seller German !!
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby g_baby » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:54 pm

As far as I know, SurfShopOnline is based in Hamburg and is one of the main importers to deliver, mainly GSI boards, to German surf shops. Receiving 2 containers a year, I think, and selling and delivering them as long as stock lasts...
That's my try to answer why the seller is German.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Bearded Gimp » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:37 pm

Yeah I think that the Surfboard Agency seems to be a GSI/Surftech type manufacturer. Webber seems to have jumped ship from GSi to them and they have a couple of other big names, Simon Anderson included. McCoy is no longer a listed shaper on the Surftech site, so presumably that tie-up has ended, and I guess that the Simon Anderson surftech models will also go the same way.

Their contact adress is Byron Bay but I'd imagine all of the manufacturing is done in Thailand or China with no input from the named shapers other than shaping the originals (that's just a guess though). Presumably, once their range is available they'll be sold globally and not just in Germany(!)
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby kayu » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:29 pm

Bearded Gimp wrote:anyone know the deal with the Surfboard Agency eps mccoys? http://surfboardagency.com/xf-technology/

Edit: this is a better link http://surfboardagency.com/mccoy-all-round-nugget/
In a nutshell , Cobra replaced (?) Surftech with the XF-Tech mob.......production has begun , and the boards are impressive.....for those who liked their surtech McCoys , the same type of construction will still be available , and are even better , from what Ive heard..... :-|
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby kayu » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:31 pm

Geoff pulled the pin on Surftech a while back BTW....he wasn't happy with them.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:35 am

Bit of McCoy zot porn...
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby batoes » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:00 am

Haven't posted in ages - my tastes in boards have just quite a bit and i haven't riddent a Mccoy since last year. But, that looks unreal Cuttles. I've always been interested in grabbing a 5'6 zot. Or getting a micro potbelly. Love Geoff's boards when you get the balance right with all that foam.I had a 5'8 that was gold - should never have sold it!
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:25 am

The zot is continuing to impress me with its capability.
Last two days have had some really good waves.
Super glassy 2'ers yestterday and light offshore 2-3'ers with nice left and right peaks on a rising tide with some closeouts but plenty that hit the banks sweetly for some great chances to do whatever felt right.
Had some really good long waves on my backhand today in the larger waves and the zot is really easy to surf well on the backhand.
I'm finding this board suits me so much better than a zap with its narrow nose and heavy back foot bias.
Both the zap and the stumpy provided moments of "yeeeew" (so hipster I know) turns but plenty of "wtf" events too.
The stumpy stumped me. The first surf on the zap at Noosa was a pretty mundane affair whereas the first wave on the zot it felt good straight away and I'm still feeling very comfortable on it.
Keep completely forgetting that the board is a single fin.
Got out of the water after 3 and a 1/2 hrs only because I was too buggered to surf anymore.
Finally get the McCoy claim of providing a neutral feeling board.
Lets face it when you jump on most new boards there's usually flashes of brilliance (hopefully) and then as you keep surfing it in a wide variety of conditions maybe a glaring shortcoming will eventually having you move it on.
Knowing what conditions to surf the zot in should keep it in my quiver for quite a while.
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Archy_is_God » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:49 pm

Cuttlefish wrote:Got out of the water after 3 and a 1/2 hrs only because I was too buggered to surf anymore.


Brilliant :-D

What more can anyone ask for?
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Re: McCoy Nuggets

Postby Cuttlefish » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:05 am

Howabout some pics of the Dixie drum stick.
Geez, that sounds wrong.
Rephrase that...howabout pics of the new zot from Dixie?
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