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Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby briggfoot » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:33 pm

Evening folks,
Just a quick one, if you could help?

About a month ago I was looking for a new winter wetsuit, so went to a specialist wetsuit shop to have a look at some.

The shop owner took my chest measurement only, and assured me that a C-skins in size ST (small-tall) was the one for me, which I thought was weird as I'm normally a medium/large shirt size as I'm quite broad-shouldered but have a 31inch waste and have previously warn either MT or Large summer wetsuits. He said it would ease up soon enough, and also when it gets wet they stretch more, so not to worry. I went ahead and purchased it at over £200 notes.

I've surfed in it now for about 4-5 sessions, and it still feels reeeaally tight on my chest and shoulders and a bit restrictive on my mobility. Although it keeps me nice and warm, I find I fatigue really easy just paddling around as my shoulders tire out very fast - a hell of a lot faster than normally or in my previous suit.
I'm quite physically fit and train hard every-day, running/swimming hard/doing circuits so it seems unusual.
My arms and shoulders sort-of ache when I'm paddling around in it, and I'm blowing-out just paddling in 2ft surf, if I stand-up straight it feels really tight, and my arms sort of feel 'pumped' like how they do when you have your blood pressure taken.

I questioned it in the shop but he seemed so certain, and its the first proper suit I've been fitted with, so I trusted he's right.

Basically I'm asking, is this normal and to be expected for a winter suit? Will it ease up and become better fitting in a few sessions time? At the moment I feel a bit disillusioned and dissappointed, but don't know if I'd be able to take it back and get re-fitted/second opinion from another retailer, if it turns out this isn't the right size for me.

Cheers in advance for any guidance, and for reading this long rambling post!
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby Philshoz » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:58 am

You are basically stuffed and stuck with a suit too small for you.

Reading through your post you don't actually say if you tried it on in the shop, I presume/hope you did, so the alarm bells should have rung then and that was your chance to try a different suit on for comparison.

Hope it sells when it appears in the For Sale section.

You could go back and reason with the 'professional' ?
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby WP101 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:04 am

sounds like the the shop couldnt get rid of a completely rare size of suit and saw you coming.
get someone else to measure you up and compare this to the manufacturers size charts on line, they all have them.
take it back and play hell, dont take any shit :evil:
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby ATTMFKH » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:23 am

Size Small Tall ................... there's a clue right there ............. should've got a Small Extra Large Tall Medium :?

Seriously though , what kind of size is a Small Tall - it shows waist 30.5 , chest 37 - if you are a large in a shirt you got to be over 37 chest - take it back - you were given incorrect advice by the shop - you are entitled to a replacement under the Sale of Goods Act.
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby Paul C » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:33 am

Wetsuits when new may feel a little stiffer at first but not as much as you have said on here.
Like WP101 said above 'take it back and play hell'. They should replace it if they want you back in the future to purchase something else but personally I wouldn't go back there again to purchase anything, not even a block of wax. Once bitten twice shy.

Never rely on shops too much for advice, whether it's surfing or anything else as they are trying to sell you what they have in stock regardless if it is suitable.
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby Chris F » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:26 pm

Agree with all the above. Rev them.

Name and Shame the shop while you are at it.
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby Black » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:26 pm

C-skins have a size chart, if your dims are a fair bit removed from that, then you have evidence of a bad sale. Take it with you and show them - qed
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby face2face » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:51 pm

As ATTMFKH said, the Sale of Goods Act is your answer. It contains something about convincing you to enter into a contract that you would not have chosen to if provided with the correct information. Also, goods should be fit for purpose. Both parts seem to be relevant to you.

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Postby defever » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:03 pm

Just a little note, I think (not 100% sure) C-skins changed their sizing chart for 2012-2013 model (the current ones up on their website) compared to their models from previous years. I might be wrong but double check which year model you bought... If you paid more than £200.00 then it sounds like you bought the new model, but it might have been the last season stock that they just could not shift...

Unlucky for you, hopefully you can sort it out with a shop in a civilised manner. Remember who advised you, speak to someone else in the shop (the guy who advised you may decide to defend his actions and probably will not be helpful...). Good luck

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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby briggfoot » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:05 pm

Philshoz wrote:You are basically stuffed and stuck with a suit too small for you.

Reading through your post you don't actually say if you tried it on in the shop, I presume/hope you did, so the alarm bells should have rung then and that was your chance to try a different suit on for comparison.

Hope it sells when it appears in the For Sale section.

You could go back and reason with the 'professional' ?


Many thanks for the guidance gents, I was hoping the replies would be like "nah, that's normal for a new suit, mine are all like that when I first get them, after x surfs it will fit like a dream," but deep-down I had a bad feeling this was the situation. :-(

Yeah, I tried it on in the shop and said several times that it was feeling rather tight and restrictive, but accepted the guys constant reassurances that it was a perfect fit, and would ease up once wet/worn-in, and that the material is super-stretchy. After all, he is a proffessional wetsuit fitter/re-pairer who has been doing it for years, and I'm buying my first winter suit and have little experience to compare it to (after-all, I was expecting some loss in flexibility etc compared to my summer suit,) and he seemed so sure.

I don't really want to "name and shame" as I'm willing to bet a lot of guys here are probably happy customers and the shop is probably spot-on most of the time and I'm sure his intentions were well-meaning. The guy has been retailing and repairing wetsuits for years as his sole business with all sizes of suit for sale, so I cant think that he'd be trying to get rid of a weird sized suit that he cant sell, but if you're interested it's in the Braunton area......so that sort of narrows it down a lot.

ATTMFKH / face2face, that's a fair point about the Sale Of Good Act, I'll keep that in my back-pocket as I've got to drive to Braunton tomorrow for something unconnected, so will pop in for a chat and see what he says.... - Maybe go in as a 'new' customer, see what size he reccommends this time, and if it's different, throw a bit of a wobbly.

Can't anything in life ever just be straight-forward!! :puke:

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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby briggfoot » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:10 pm

defever wrote:Just a little note, I think (not 100% sure) C-skins changed their sizing chart for 2012-2013 model (the current ones up on their website) compared to their models from previous years. I might be wrong but double check which year model you bought... If you paid more than £200.00 then it sounds like you bought the new model, but it might have been the last season stock that they just could not shift...

Unlucky for you, hopefully you can sort it out with a shop in a civilised manner. Remember who advised you, speak to someone else in the shop (the guy who advised you may decide to defend his actions and probably will not be helpful...). Good luck

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Hi defever,
Yeah it was this years model and sizings as per C-skins latest.
I HATE getting confrontational, so will certainly be civil in there to see if we can resolve things without falling out.

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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby briggfoot » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:53 pm

ATTMFKH wrote:Size Small Tall ................... there's a clue right there ............. should've got a Small Extra Large Tall Medium :?

Seriously though , what kind of size is a Small Tall - it shows waist 30.5 , chest 37


yeah, and according to their charts it's for heights of 5'9" - 6'0" or - according to their charts - 168 - 173cm.

In my money, 5'9" - 6'0" is roughly 175 - 183cm?!?!?!??!

Someone in their sizing department has done their maths wrong!
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby jonnyboyz » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:11 pm

They shouldn't feel like they are pulling your head down, and your arms up. Difficult sometimes, cos you want to allow for a suit to loosen - which it will, but not until you've worn it a while, which sounds like you're having difficulty doing. You may have to wait some time for this to happen if you're not. :-|
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby swiggy » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:57 pm

That size chart is obviously wrong, look at the sizes either side of ST. Maybe C skins themselves would swap the suit for you since they have made a mistake..
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby Kabazz » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:50 pm

On a side note, I bought a Medium small cskins as my ms xcel fitted perfectly. It's definitely smaller than the xcel and the first couple of times i wore it the chest was uncomfortably small and i was thinking fuckkk wasted my money. However, it's definitely stretched out now and isn't tight across the chest like it was.

Measure yourself accurately and compare to the size chart. Like mentioned above cskins changed their sizes to Future Fit recently so make sure you're using the right chart. If according to the chart he's got it significantly wrong I would go and complain.. they guy sounded very pushy like they wanted to get rid of that size.



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Postby roberdy » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:04 pm

Moved over here, right spot for it.
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Postby billy_wizz » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:05 pm

If its the shop I think it is I had the opposite problem with an exel suit it was too long and baggy used it twice emailed to tell of the problem they said bring it back so I did and they swapped it for the correct one! Hope they sort it out for you!
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby ATTMFKH » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:41 pm

What happened with the rubber gear then fatty ? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby Chris F » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:04 pm

Maybe the guy thought you were a shwinger when he saw your toight like a toiger pants, yes?
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby briggfoot » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:04 pm

ATTMFKH wrote:What happened with the rubber gear then fatty ? :lol: :lol:


Pahaha....i'm not fat i'm just short for my weight!!! Anyway, nowt wrong with being a bit tubby, it's all extra insulation in the water at the end of the day and helps you float to the surface on them hold-downs!

Well.....
My "game-plan" was to go in there all guns blazing, and only leave the shop with either:
a) a new fitting suit, or
b) a full re-fund.

The shop attendant, (who is a sound guy I've bought from previously in a different shop,) accepted fault, that it was not the right size to put me in to, and that it would be bad business if they didn't rectify the situation in some way (suggested a re-fit in the shop.)

However as my work-mate was getting his head down waiting for us in a hire-car outside, so I didn't really want to keep him hanging about whilst I wrestled myself in to various rubber suits.

Sooo, I'm driving back up there tomorrow, early doors, and reverting to plan-A. I hope they're ready for me, it's my own petrol this time. :twisted:

As defever mentioned, C-skins have changed their fit of their suits this year to the "Future Fit," same as XCel fit apparently, to "keep up with the changing biometric data of surfers." (blurb off their website.....I interpret this to mean the human race is evolving and changing shape?! :shock: ) :shock:
So their 'chest to waist to height' ratios are different in their new suits compared to a couple of years ago.......


ATTMFKH, you mentioned the Sale Of Goods Act, and an item 'not fit for purpose,' and I believe I'm entitled to ask for a refund - one option i'm considering.
When you excitedly save up for something, do everything by the book getting fitted by a specialist, and spend a lot of money on their top of the range suit, only for it not give you the satisfaction you hoped for, it's only natural that your belief in that brand etc is shaken. So if there isn't a perfect fitting suit there in the shop to have as a replacement (they only stock a couple of manufacturers suits,) then I will push for a re-fund and continue the search else-where.

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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby briggfoot » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:22 pm

Chris F wrote:Maybe the guy thought you were a shwinger when he saw your toight like a toiger pants, yes?


I shudda ashked him if he would like a shhhmoke an a pancake, but I jusht knew he'd say no, dere ish no pleashing sum people.......:dontknow: :-D
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby ATTMFKH » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:57 pm

OK - they have accepted liability - get your money off them. Totally within your rights to do so & then take your dollar elsewhere - only thing that will make them change the way they operate is to hit them in the bottom line
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby briggfoot » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:13 pm

ATTMFKH wrote:OK - they have accepted liability - get your money off them. Totally within your rights to do so & then take your dollar elsewhere - only thing that will make them change the way they operate is to hit them in the bottom line


Yup, got a full re-fund with no arguments, after trying on a couple of their other suits to see if I could simply get a replacment.

Shame, as I like the brand, and the shop, but hey-ho.

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Postby Philshoz » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:57 am

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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby Chris F » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:55 pm

briggfoot wrote:
Chris F wrote:Maybe the guy thought you were a shwinger when he saw your toight like a toiger pants, yes?


I shudda ashked him if he would like a shhhmoke an a pancake, but I jusht knew he'd say no, dere ish no pleashing sum people.......:dontknow: :-D


Must be a Dutch Hater! :wink:
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Postby ATTMFKH » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:14 pm

Nice one Briggfoot .............. get into them 8)
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby biolton » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:31 pm

Used a M size XCEL 54 for 2 winters, and it was slightly big around the neck area, upper legs and lower back. But still remained decently warm into its 3rd winter when I changed for a new XCEL, this time I went for a MS.... And, Oh dear.... Too tight, I just couldnt get my breath properly, and it was difficult to paddle. It never gave way enough... So next winter up then I went back to a 4mm M XCEL as was surfing warmer water... This time it did stretch loads and was freezing in it in its second winter....


I have now decided I'm different sizes depending on thickness of the wetsuit. So M in a 54, MS in a 43 and I can even get into a S in a 2mm... And this seems to work out best

I have tried other brands for fit. Quik fits incredible, but i freeze in them. O'neill no good fitting, Hate Rips....

Any one with a similar experience?
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby Leven » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:14 pm

Thinner neoprene = more stretchy....common sense surely? Fold a piece of paper in half, then fold a phone book in half. The principle is the same.
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Re: Wetsuit - How tight is too tight?!

Postby biolton » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:28 pm

Leven wrote:Thinner neoprene = more stretchy....common sense surely? Fold a piece of paper in half, then fold a phone book in half. The principle is the same.



For sure.... They should take it into account for the sizing.... Making thinner wetsuits slightly smaller.... Or do we just need to learn from experience after spending lots of cash on wetsuits which dont fit that well....
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Postby Leven » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:00 am

Nope, you need to try them on in the shop, and buy the one that fits the best for you....
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