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Re: New board prices

Postby The Hoff » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:48 am

buttholesurfer wrote:Boards in Oz are expensive as hell due to the strong Oz dollar.

They're expensive for you living in the UK, but if you live and work in Aus they're actually very cheap. Boards are roughly $750AUD in the shops at the moment; that may equate to £484 with today's exchange rate, but in reality that's the equivalent of £250 for people living and earning here. You can take home $650AUD working a 40 hour week washing dishes.

It's the exchange rate that's ripping you off, there's nothing the shops can do about that. Don't hate the player, hate the game etc.
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Re: New board prices

Postby Ferral » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:01 pm

hope all's going well over in aus ratman,

Saw that the BASE company (from whom a lot of the import boards come from) has gone into liquidation http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/another-one-bites-dust-0

dunno what that means in terms of future production and board prices but they clearly weren't making mega-bucks
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Re: New board prices

Postby manbearpig » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:52 pm

The Hoff wrote:They're expensive for you living in the UK, but if you live and work in Aus they're actually very cheap. Boards are roughly $750AUD in the shops at the moment; that may equate to £484 with today's exchange rate, but in reality that's the equivalent of £250 for people living and earning here. You can take home $650AUD working a 40 hour week washing dishes.

It's the exchange rate that's ripping you off, there's nothing the shops can do about that. Don't hate the player, hate the game etc.


Hoff is the the voice of reason around here and makes the exact point i was trying to make.
It may be the exchange rate to blame when it comes to imports, rather than the shops. But nobody sells surfboards at a loss and you gotta raise your eyebrow at the £600 pricetag on a £300 board.
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Re: New board prices

Postby Obelix » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:39 am

Do what I do...

Order two custom boards at a time from South African shapers. I've also found the standard of the most Saffa shaper to also be better than the that of the most British shapers. I say most though, as there are a handful of very good UK shapers, but then there are also Saffa shapers whose boards are rated by the likes of Kelly, Sunny, and co.

Cost for both, including shipping, comes out around the same as the price a lot of people up here are paying for a single board.
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Re: New board prices

Postby mjstatic » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:35 pm

1 thing Ive noticed........The majority of UK boards come out heavy mainly due to being glassed in a cold climate. There's a few people 'oven' finishing boards which helps them dry quickly and help the blanks not to suck in all the excess resin. There's def some really good shapers about but you're rarely going to get the quallity of finish and lightness as boards glassed in a hotter climate. Give you an example, my 6'2 Simon Anderson is way lighter than my 5'5 UK shaped board....Might be other reasons for this but even going single 4oz with UK shapers hasnt made much difference...
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Re: New board prices

Postby Chris F » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:57 pm

You don't think one was given a heavy (decent?) glassing and one wasn't? Maybe UK boards get a heavier glassing due to us being fat porkers who always have extra weight of a wetsuit?

Your logic doesn't hold a lot of water.
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Re: New board prices

Postby mjstatic » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:54 am

No nothing to do with 1 being glassed heavy than the other as I said I've had boards glassed single 4oz and double 4oz and they often still don't compare to boards glassed overseas...the lighter Simon is actually more dent resistant than the heavier UK shape. In terms of the extra glassing to help with the extra wetsuit weight, glassing is not what you increase for that. You,d increase the vol of the blank. Also a lighter board will float you better than a heavier board...take epoxy boards for example, lighter and more buoyant
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Re: New board prices

Postby prjwebb » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:03 am

Quality of the blanks I'm guessing.
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Re: New board prices

Postby mjstatic » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:30 am

Take these to boards for example both pretty much the same dimensions and same glassing but the Semente from Portugal is about half the weight....there are benefits to a board with extra weight, ie windy conditions when a super light board can get held up on take off but for a high performance board lightness is way better....
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Re: New board prices

Postby mjstatic » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:33 am

Yea def agree blank quality has a lot to do with it...that shows in the yellowing that's common with a lot of the blanks used..
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Re: New board prices

Postby flacky » Sun May 05, 2013 5:47 pm

Original poster,question. How many hours do you think a board takes to make?

Please answer, not for me, but just so you understand why they cost so much.

I'm a graphic designer. Freelance, I bill around 45 an hour. Less for regular customers. And that's cheap! I was recently offered work with a ad agency in Manchester, who pay their freelancers around £75ph.
I don't have the time, I've regular customers I'm happy working for, at half that, but I like them, and am happy enough with what I get paid.

I've put my hand to shaping, it's not easy, it's time consuming, it's messy. Materials are expensive. There's not getting around this.

So, A guy who's put his shift in, and is hand shaping boards. Someone with years behind him, let's say Chops. He should be billing at least £60 per hour. That's a top drawer craftsman we're talking about there. And there's many more we could name. Would you be happy to buy a board off him if he said, yeah, I rattled it out in half the time for your money. Or would you rather he ran an eye over every step?

Up to you, old proverb, buy cheap buy twice.
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Re: New board prices

Postby tynemouthmatt » Thu May 09, 2013 9:37 am

Takes me around 2-3 hours to shape a board (I like to take my time)

Say 3 hours to do the laminating, hotcoat, gloss, fin install etc (including prep time)

2-3 hours to sand, polish

The above time doesn't include designing, making new templates in necessary.

Say 10 hours give or take.

I'm no pro though.
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Re: New board prices

Postby flacky » Thu May 09, 2013 11:39 am

Yep. I'd say the same. I've only dabbled, and the shaping was surprisingly over quicker than I thought. I reckon if I had the time, the facility and the experience it'd be about 5-6 hours work start to finish.
Bill that at 50 an hour and you're at 300, plus a 150 - 250 depending on the board size for materials, (I think the gear I bought came to about 140 - 7'8" blank for a 6'8" and I used 10oz volan).

Plus, factor in tools! A planer ain't cheap. Lots of sandpaper, brushes, masks, Jeez... Fair play guys!

I've just realised how lucky I have been over the years getting some amazing boards for not enough money!
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Re: New board prices

Postby Leven » Fri May 10, 2013 6:29 am

^^^ This! There's a guy I know down here who shapes boards for £350, crazy cheap. Whole thing done by hand, and a top top quality shaper too.
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Re: New board prices

Postby flacky » Fri May 10, 2013 12:26 pm

It's the same as any industry, I generally won't do websites, as people will say, "I can do that on wordpress myself!" when confronted with a quote. Same with business cards. "I can get them free!" Then try telling someone who says "I want a logo for my company" that what they actually mean is they want their company branding from scratch. That's a lot of time. Logo's take time. To get right, So it's the same all over.

I can't compete with specialist online web software, so I won't waste my time. In general there's nothing wrong with the templates, they are quick and easy. I've even done my own sites with them, so it's the same with boards. And let's face it, most shapers I know have at one point or another rode surftechs or off the shelf boards.

It's a tough world to compete in that's for sure. Hold your guns or bow to pressure?
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Re: New board prices

Postby tynemouthmatt » Fri May 10, 2013 8:15 pm

Knowing how much work can go into a board its difficult to know how to price my own.

At the moment i'm making boards for friends & friends of friends etc

I'm at the point where I am going to start my own label, mainly so I can carry on making boards on a regular basis (only part time)

I have spent the last 3 years learning to shape, being self taught I estimate over this time I have invested around £5000 in learning the basics of this craft. Not with the view to start a label, but because i enjoy it.

Now that I am going to offer to shape boards for others, how do I value my time?

I'm not interested in trying to undercut the competition to try and sell loads of boards. But I can't charge relatively high prices as I do not have the years of experience.
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Re: New board prices

Postby flacky » Fri May 10, 2013 10:28 pm

And yet if you come in low you'll be accused of undercutting the competition... Don't bother matt ;) good luck pal.
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Re: New board prices

Postby tynemouthmatt » Sat May 11, 2013 7:22 am

flacky wrote:Don't bother matt ;) good luck pal.


I thought about it alot and put it off for ages, but now running out of mates to fund the addiction!
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Re: New board prices

Postby Scotsurf » Sat May 11, 2013 8:57 am

I'll be your mate ;-)

What's mates rates these days?
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Re: New board prices

Postby tynemouthmatt » Sun May 12, 2013 10:38 am

Scotsurf wrote:I'll be your mate ;-)

What's mates rates these days?


Mates rates have varied massively. They have gone a bit in the last year as i'm pretty busy at the moment (final year of my phd). Generally materials cost plus £100, depending on the construction. At one time it was just cost so I could get the experience.

If possible, I prefer to trade skills with mates rather than take money.
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Re: New board prices

Postby Scotsurf » Sun May 12, 2013 1:16 pm

Was just jesting, in all seriousness though I have a mate who has a long standing issue with a dodgy knee that pops out all the time! Old footy injury.
He loves a surf, and has only just started out but struggles getting up to his feet, he says sit psychological for fear of his knees, maybe a load of bollocks and he's just covering up his lack of ability, he's a competitive lad and I've been surfing for years so I think he feels a bit inferior.
I mentioned your flexspoon project to him and said he should consider kneeboarding and take that forward as his sport of choice if his popup is holding him back.
What sort of money would one of these cost? I know there's a lot more work/glass involved than a standard board.
If you didn't fancy it do you know anyone else in the uk who would do one?
I've suggested he keep an eye out for a short thin wide stick which he could just Wack a full grip on for the summer but the spoon has grabbed his attention big time!
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Re: New board prices

Postby Philchapman » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:36 pm

I've been trying to figure out if this is a joke or not? Bit early for April fools. £850 for a 5'-8" board (Albeit a nice one).

http://www.downthelinesurf.co.uk/shop/c ... blue-i3834

Same price as the 6' one. :?
Anyone else remember a time when board prices weren't plucked out of the air depending on what the seller thought they could get away with?
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Re: New board prices

Postby Philshoz » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:26 pm

Philchapman wrote:I've been trying to figure out if this is a joke or not? Bit early for April fools. £850 for a 5'-8" board (Albeit a nice one).

http://www.downthelinesurf.co.uk/shop/c ... blue-i3834

Same price as the 6' one. :?
Anyone else remember a time when board prices weren't plucked out of the air depending on what the seller thought they could get away with?


That's a gorgeous board Phil and worth it for the craftsmanship don't you think?. Just imagine the hours of work that have gone into it.

Console yourself with a T-shirt, reduced.. :idea:
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Re: New board prices

Postby Leven » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:22 pm

Philshoz wrote:That's a gorgeous board Phil and worth it for the craftsmanship don't you think?. Just imagine the hours of work that have gone into it.



Yep....20 mins on a CNC machine, 20 mins roughly sanded by a kid, then some glass shoved on...... :roll:
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Re: New board prices

Postby Philchapman » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:24 am

/\ I think there's a bit more to it than that, but yes, off a machine, finished by hand. The glassing will be top notch, but that's getting silly money for a 5'8". And why would it be the same price as a 7'6" Christenson, where there's a bigger blank, more glass and resin, sanding, etc., etc.? The pricing just seems plucked from the air to me but hey, they can charge what they like. I won't be buying a new board at those prices.

Luckily I don't have to console myself with a T-shirt, as I already have one of his Fish, bought for a fair price second hand. :p :D
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Re: New board prices

Postby flacky » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:39 pm

Import duty will be a chunk. So it's not a bad deal. There's a market for some of these "prestige" shapers from the US.
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Re: New board prices

Postby Obelix » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:37 pm

Christenson is a great shaper in the same vein as the Campbell Bros, etc, not a bulk producer like CI or Webber. His shop adjoins Moonlight Glassing, so most of the laminations are done next door, some of the best glassing in the world.

So while I agree with the sentiments of the original post, a Christenson board doesn't fit into what the OP is talking about. I'm in the process of getting my ducks in a row for a new board, and not a chance will I be paying my money to one of these big shops. Might get a UK custom, although heading to South Africa on holiday in a couple months, so probably get from one of the smaller craftsmen shapers there for a fraction of the cost here.
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Re: New board prices

Postby flacky » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:40 pm

Just had a custom made. 6'5 x 22 x 2.5. quad plus a centre slot for a single. nice paint job. I'm happy with the money. Cost around 400. I think that's a good price for a hand made board really.
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Re: New board prices

Postby Leven » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:09 pm

flacky wrote:Just had a custom made. 6'5 x 22 x 2.5. quad plus a centre slot for a single. nice paint job. I'm happy with the money. Cost around 400. I think that's a good price for a hand made board really.



Snap, mine was a bit cheaper, but I've had a few boards off the shaper!

Far prefer to pay that amount, and have it shaped exactly as I want it, than twice that......
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Re: New board prices

Postby flacky » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:02 pm

Yeah, mine was mate's rates as I did him a favour. The blank was a bit more than normal, so not sure what he's retail these at. I'm well happy with 400 though.
He doesn't make many, so makes them well, takes his time, and wants paying for it. Don't we all.
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