Who is running surfing in the UK now?

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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby ATTMFKH » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:09 am

swiggy wrote:
freebird54 wrote:The worldwide surf industry taskforce teleconference


wat?

And anyway I thought you hated the UK?


^^^ That's what I was meaning , funny or what ! Was trying to make a word up out of the first letters - giving Freebird the benefit of the doubt for comedic obscurity ................. but no :roll:
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby freebird54 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:23 pm

A good meeting, Minutes and video record will be sent to surfinggb

It is up and running - fig da foz did a brilliant presentation so what towns in the UK do you all think should be a surf city - there is a criteria but I don't think we need that;-)

Obviously Newquay, Swansea?

http://vimeo.com/37889990
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby freebird54 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:04 pm

Another reason why you need the BSA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17287030
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:24 pm

no what that shows is how desperate it has all become..its a difficult one as i know a lot of the people involved in the admin of the sport personally but also i feel until i see a structured solvent transparent governing body i will pass on renewing my membership but good luck to the current regime i hope they do make a good fist of it.. :roll:
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby swiggy » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:46 pm

Having to do some fund raising for themselves is a good thing.. You send 15 year old kids on all-expenses paid trips to surf in the tropics and they start becoming spoiled, I don't see a problem with the surfers having to earn it in some way, they obviously have some initiative and good luck to them.

Washing cars at the weekend is what many teenagers have to do for pocket money all over the country (me and most of my mates that I grew up with all worked part time alongside school from 15 onwards, its pretty normal), I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for them.
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby ATTMFKH » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:57 pm

look like a shower of posh kids to me anyway.....can usually tell by the first names :wink:

anyway, what would interest me , from a social inclusion perspective, was if 'the governing body' invested time and effort in getting kids with troubled / poverty / poor educational backgrounds into surfing and put some time into widening the net rather than ploughing the posh kid furrow .....

same as the Ski Federation or whatever they're called - full of posh twats - there could be a Franz Klammer in the schemes somewhere that will never get the chance....

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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby swiggy » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:22 am

^^ Yeah, I'm sure all these kids are great or whatever, but they even refer to the 'bank of mum and dad' themselves in the article. Hence me not feeling sorry for them when they have to wash a few cars to go to panama at the age of 15.

Are there any bad schemes in devon/cornwall anyway? I can't imagine surfing GB will start taking kids from deprived areas of glasgow surfing :?
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:32 am

agree entirely on that score unfortunately everything is money driven look at the logistics you have a son or daughter who has potential ..surf school cadets =£6 a time on average yearly £300...then theres contests entry fees say £10 a throw £200 the cost of transporting accomadation and sundry whilst attending not just theres but parent or guardian say £100-200 min so £2000-£3000 per annum then theres equipment most get at cost say £1000-2000 and im sure theres other costs i havent included ...so roughy your looking at a commitment of £3000-£5000 a year thats a £100 pound a week thats a big wedge for your average parent to fork out... :-( my personal thoughts are britian has falling so far behind the other european countries in all aspects relating to surfing due to not having a coherent structure for the last 20 yrs at least my sentiments are forget getting our surfers up to world level how about we get them up to the top european standard first..as for the administration ive said it before you need someone with top international experience a ian cairns type too run the whole show ..though i must add the people who have been involved in the running of the governing bodies have all been well meaning in there intentions... 8) ps. swiggy im from the gorbals and managed to get a british title without mummy and daddies help...ha ha
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby ATTMFKH » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:59 am

^^ yeah but there was only 2 surfers in Britain when you won it :P
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby ATTMFKH » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:37 am

swiggy wrote:^^ Yeah, I'm sure all these kids are great or whatever, but they even refer to the 'bank of mum and dad' themselves in the article. Hence me not feeling sorry for them when they have to wash a few cars to go to panama at the age of 15.

Are there any bad schemes in devon/cornwall anyway? I can't imagine surfing GB will start taking kids from deprived areas of glasgow surfing :?


See that's the kicker .... SW focused, there are 31,000km of coastline in GB and the islands , what have they done elsewhere to develop kids / the sport .....
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:06 pm

very funny johnny about the 2 surfers allthough it was a fellow scot malcolm findlay i beat for it ..doesnt mean anything at the end of the day just means for 30 mins you managed to surf a few waves better than the other bods out there .. :roll: ps will try look into accomadation southwest for you havent forgotten.. :wink:
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby Ferral » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:18 pm

Think its a bit harsh slating the kids. I know one involved and the whole family surf, are down to earth and an asset in the local surfing community.

The point here is a national body should be there to drawn down funds from central government (Sport England) to support up and coming atheletes. This would have nothing to do with funds raised by surfing GB which could be ploughed into whatever social inclusion schemes you think they should set up. THe fact is theres money available in Sport England to support elite junior sport. Rather than it be spent on 16 year old darts players/footballers or whatever I'd like to see surfing have a cut of the already collected pie. They wont be able to get that without a NGB.. its a clearest reason I can see for the need for an NGB. I'm not a competive surfer and probably wouldnt join but surfing in the UK does need the facility to support competive atheletes.
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby ATTMFKH » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:36 pm

mal-nourished wrote:very funny johnny about the 2 surfers allthough it was a fellow scot malcolm findlay i beat for it ..doesnt mean anything at the end of the day just means for 30 mins you managed to surf a few waves better than the other bods out there .. :roll: ps will try look into accomadation southwest for you havent forgotten.. :wink:


It's OK mate - it's sorted ...... will be hoovering up any local info from you on the QT, will be down 7th July , staying 2 miles from your gaff :lol: :lol: I'll be sneaking round and plundering a few boards for the dawny 8)
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:50 pm

i am not disputing the need for a governing body what im pointing out is the overall structure and foundations need to be addressed as it stands the majority of the surfing populace see it they join they dont really see or have anything to show for there membership and the bods from outside the southwest region just see the same faces going on training camps etc.. i see a unfair bias towards this region if they brought back the old structure regional champs certain number qualify for nationals [ welsh scottish nth irish and english...] and theres your british team for better or for worse... :roll: as it stands financially its a big commitment to even contemplate trying to reach the top tier whilst its weighed so heavily in favour of those on a better footing financially ...im in agreement on the fact most of the kids are nice kids and the families are supportive and are good surfers that goes without saying....i competed for 5years the BLU SERIES more because of the social side but used to look forward to the british champs each year as the one off contests suited me better now the title is based on having to attend pretty much all the BLU series to become the champion thats a commitment im not prepared to make financially which is why i stopped competing... :roll:
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:52 pm

good man johnny bring down some square sausages and i will cook you a brekkie.. :roll:
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby Ferral » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:20 pm

mal-nourished wrote:what im pointing out is the overall structure and foundations need to be addressed as it stands the majority of the surfing populace see it they join they dont really see or have anything to show for there membership and the bods from outside the southwest region just see the same faces going on training camps etc.. i see a unfair bias towards this region if they brought back the old structure regional champs certain number qualify for nationals [ welsh scottish nth irish and english...] and theres your british team for better or for worse...


Couldnt agree more Mal, i was more saying other posters calling the kids 'posh twats' and that they should work for their money was missing the point. There is support money is available from government quite independant of subscriptions to SurfingGB.. its a shame that the farcical failure of the previous administration has prevented that aisle being open
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby Chai Wallah » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:29 pm

What you need is a network of strong local clubs building a community and supporting local surfers with transport etc - look at what Hotdoggers have done very successfully in North Devon with long boarding and now there is a hot crew of young surfers coming of age who are dominating.

But you need the same set up in each coastal area - Bude, NQ, PP, Aggie/PT, St Ives, Bantham, Scarborough, Swansea etc etc and until that is in place we will have problems

If the clubs are not doing that commercial companies need to step in and help much as Board Barn is doing
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:44 pm

the funny thing is mark [chai..] there is a lot of the things mentioned allready out there in place what is needed is someone with the vision or experience too put it all together and for these commitees to put there egos aside also the financial shackles for people to compete from areas outside the southwest..yes the hotdoggers and blu do great work but there is still the financial restrictions stopping surfers from over the uk being part of it and i think basing a championship and title on a series is flawed ... :roll:
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby Underdog » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:20 pm

So the Team is 8 boys and 4 girls - ie 2 to 1 !!

Not really representative of the surfing community is it? Not sure how things pan out in the rest of the country but, judging by what I see on an average day down in the far west i would think a ratio of 11 to 1 would still be overgenerous to the girls.

Not meaning to offend the females; but there are outstanding young lads being overlooked whilst barely adequate girls are getting a trip abroad.
I am having difficulty seeing how this policy benefits GB Surfing in any way.
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby swiggy » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:50 pm

Ferral wrote:Think its a bit harsh slating the kids. I know one involved and the whole family surf, are down to earth and an asset in the local surfing community.


Swiggy wrote:Yeah, I'm sure all these kids are great or whatever, but they even refer to the 'bank of mum and dad' themselves in the article. Hence me not feeling sorry for them when they have to wash a few cars to go to panama at the age of 15.


Swiggy wrote:I don't see a problem with the surfers having to earn it in some way, they obviously have some initiative and good luck to them.


Not quite slating the kids mate. I still stand by what I said, a governing body that only exists to fund people going to surf in the tropics benefits about 20 people. Compare that with organisations like the FA (obviously surfing isn't football), who are always running things in schools etc for everybody all over the country, running the top divisions is just a small part of what they do. Sorry if I don't see the need for an organisation that exists just to channel government/lottery money for the minority of Devon, Cornwall and south wales kids who are good enough to compete internationally. I'm sure theres plenty of kids who would be stoked just to get a trip to their nearest beach for a day or weekend.

They have to do something to reassure people that it isn't just an old boys club, where people get picked because their dad is a surfing legend. How does the GB youth team get picked? Who picks it? I have no idea, is it a transparent process?
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby freebird54 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:55 am

Good contributions Guys and Girls - Keep them coming - maybe Surfinggb is reading
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:09 am

if they are i did a judges course with ester i while back wheres my certificate... :roll: seriously if there is someone reading my advice is start at the bottom from my perspective there putting priority on the top level surfers too much to the detriment of the members who dont compete.. :wink:
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby swiggy » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:20 am

mal, do you know how/who picks the gb team? There must be some sort of panel I guess? Is it surfing GB? Im curious..
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:36 am

yes and the selection process and criteria but im not going to comment apart to say the nth devon /cornish surfers have a unfair advantage by location .... :oops: but in fairness the current regime havent had time or the resources to sort things out properly ..
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby kerrypow » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:50 pm

HI All,

My names Kerry. My favourite colour is purple. I drive a £500 T reg ford escort because it's all I can afford. I don't wear Pringle jumpers and my phone number is 07429208283.

Why am I telling you this? It's about transparency, you asked for it and maybe that's more than you wanted, and definitely not the right kind of transparency but it's on offer. Because I'm one of the people 'running surfing in the UK now'. The rest of us can be found here; http://surfinggb.com/who-are-we/ if you really want you can even find me on Facebook Kerry Surfinggb.

Sorry that I'm a bit late to the party ... but, well ... we're working very hard to straighten out what will be the NGB for surfing in this country and as you can appreciate - it takes a lot of work. It's ok. I'm here now.

Fortunately your thread was picked up by a parent of one of our juniors who are currently flying out to Panama. She emailed me late on Thursday when I was at the launch for the British Surfing Museum. Seemed a bit more painful to be surrounded by such nostalgia, and team photos of some of our great names in GB surfing that have represented the country. The ones that probably had hands put in pockets to support without questioning how much mummy and daddy earnt. Hopefully none of the KIDS picked it up, think it's shameful enough one of their parents did.

So I'm going to address 3 things here; bear with me because it might get a bit long but then I'm passionate about things. I guess that's what drives me to work over 100hrs a week when I am paid for 30. And why I'm responsible for communication. I love to talk. But I'll go into that in a bit.

First up. Our JUNIOR team heading out to Panama. The groms, grommets, children, juniors. You know. Those posh twats off on a jolly. Those kids that froth on surfing like any grommet at your locals beaches. The ones that have trained and worked hard to get through a selection process, that was publicised for all to see, to earn a place on our GREAT BRITISH TEAM. This may have lost value in your eyes but to a 14year old being asked to don a uniform and surf for their country I can assure you there is no less sparkle there.

Would any of these comments be raised at any of our other athletes about to compete at say the Olympics? Or other chosen sports? Or is it just because you see them as all coming from the South West where everyone is rolling in it and driving round in Mercedes* - *see opening paragraph for car details.

We would love to have a team with surfers from all over the UK and one day this WILL come. However we have inherited a pretty big mess to sort out and we are where we are. There is no BSA. No amount of reminiscing, or photos of meatheads in tight t-shirts is going to bring it back. It was closed down. Whether we like it or not it's gone.

We debated not sending a team to ISAWJG in view of what had gone on and the situation we were in, the money it would cost, but actually sending a team also speaks volumes about what we are trying to achieve. To give our youngsters with a passion for surfing something to aspire to. You know. The kids that choose Kelly Slater over David Beckham? The kids that we might see one day attending a surfing academy instead of a football one.

It very nearly didn't happen, but the kids that are on the GB team deserved to have the right to surf for their country after fighting so hard to win a slot. It didn't seem right to take dreams from children, some of whom will be too old next year if we had decided against it this year.

And what if we hadn't sent one? There'd be big questions about what on earth we were doing taking over SGB and not even being able to even sort out a GB team to go to the World Games. As they say in life. You can't please them all. But we are trying.

It didn't cost you anything. You who support us by paying your membership fees. They even had their own bank account. Those posh kids, who deserve to be out on the streets begging for money, and their posh parents rinsing credit cards, borrowing of friends and family to have the chance to represent Great Britain at their favourite sporting activity. But it's all right, cos their first names sound like mummy and daddy might have some money.

And while the article may refer to the bank of mum and dad, I think any of you who have children would agree that parents would do ANYTHING to make sure that their kids have everything they can afford give them. That is the bank of mum and dad.

Actually the fundraising will continue and we still have items to auction off. Because one day we hope you be able to give grants to up and coming groms from all areas so that they can come to the contests. Oh gosh ... have I started letting the cat out of the bag too early??

I think that's enough about the kids. If you want to follow them then we will be posting blogs, tweeting (@surfinggb) and writing updates on our Facebook page as well as hopefully getting live action link ups on the surfinggb website. We hope you will get behind YOUR Great British Juniors.

Why have I given you my phone number? Because we want you to talk to us.

If you let us know where you are we'll try our best to come and meet you (I'm sorry that Glasgow is a bit far but one of our directors did travel up to Scotland for the SSF AGM so you could meet one of us.) Unfortunately at the moment the majority of us are volunteers and pretty much all travel comes out of our pockets (even Ray's trip to Thurso), so we do it on a small scale but we'd love to try and get out to you.

I'm manning the front line at the moment. I'm being paid 30hrs a week but I think I represent great value as I work over 3 times that. But you only have my word for it because you aren't involved. You'll only know this if you received an email from me at gone midnight with a membership card on it, or answering one of your queries. You'll only know this if you read a thread from me on magic seaweed that I started writing at 9.30pm on Easter Saturday whilst taking a break from more admin paperwork. Oh ...

There are many of us though. Us egotistical nutters taken over the mad house, self-important pointlessly official bastards. Or as I have come to know them; a dedicated bunch of VOLUNTEERS that give up hundreds of hours of time to help try and sort out our NGB. (But you won't know them because you aren't involved.) That drive for at least an hour once a month to sit in meetings that go on till midnight having already been at the day job. Figuring out the next steps in a long process to straightening it all out and moving ever forwards. That get nothing in return but some sandwiches and strong coffee. We did vote on bringing our own food but I'm sure you all know how expensive petrol is and it's hard to concentrate on empty stomachs. We do car share so we can afford to do these meetings, and we also welcome people on Skype that are from much further afield. Further away from us posh twats in the South West.

We tried to shout as loud as we could about what we were trying to do. I think we did ok, we even have Scotland looking in, that may or may not get independence. We don't really mind as long as they surf and we can try and help them do that. I guess the politicians will sort out the rest so it's one less job for us to worry about.

As an aside did you know Cornwall has the biggest gap between earnings and cost of living in the country? It's poverty is on a par with Poland. Ironically I moved here from Saltburn, near Middlesbrough. You may have heard of Middlesbrough. It's also one of the poorest places in the country with some of the highest unemployment. My dad's family is from Ebbw Vale ... I guess we leave that debate there do we? There's always some area worse off, and sorry but I don't know anyone that's fairly flush these days which is why it's such a contested subject. It's not massively relevant to surfing, the 'sport of kings', that changed my life. Thankfully someone opened the flood gates and they will let anyone do it these days. I don't know where this perception came of it only being the sport of rich middle class people. Most of my friends can't even afford a car!!

You can find most of us SGB lot on twitter, stalking the @surfinggb account and trying to get a buzz going on from what we are trying to do. In the hope that we will engage people such as yourselves, and you may get involved with what we are trying to achieve. We stepped forward because like yourselves we were angry at what was happening with the NGB of our chosen sport. Or rather NOT happening.

You talk about what do you get in return for your money? For your £20. Well I'm working very hard to get members benefits together so that everyone gets something that we hope will more than cover this cost (I guess £30 or so of your next new board isn't that bad). As well as the insurance. The insurance that you already have a thread running about somewhere. There's key facts about THAT insurance on the website. From my point of view it's worth it for that. If I get somebody hitting me in the face with 6ft of fibreglass I want to know they are insured, lets not pretend it doesn't happen. What if somebody hits a kid coming in on the inside? My head can probably take that much board, not sure theirs would be so resilient. There is some pretty cool stuff on there already. We're always looking for more so if you know anyone that would be interested in offering something then please give them my phone number. I love to talk.

I mentioned a lot of us. There's another key player in all of this. He's called Matt Knight. I didn't really know him before I got involved in all of this. I'd judged his children at a few contests but actually, he's a pretty cool guy. He's also, I am beginning to realise, part machine. He works more hours then I do, often emailing at 3am, and he has a family. His lovely wife Suzanne helps us as well. They are volunteers. Imagine that. He commits that much time to our sport and gets nothing in return. Not even his expenses covered. Which are vast. But you won't know this cause you aren't involved.

He is my rock.

His father passed away recently. He was even continuing to work from the hospital at his father's death bed. That's how committed he is to bringing about an NGB people like you can be proud of. One that some how recovers from a large number of the sports participants from hating on and being angry at it's governing body. That has all members screaming and cheering for their GB team members as they go and fly our flag at contests. But you wouldn't know that. Because you aren't involved.

He'd be happy for you to call him also. But he's in Panama. 2 of his kids are on the team and actually, we needed a team manager. CUE GRUMBLING ABOUT ALL EXPENSES PAID JOLLIES IN TROPICAL COUNTRIES.

We tried to look for someone else. Matt has enough on his plate, answering emails on an inbox that increases by the minute as he's responding to one, writing policies, re writing policies, dealing with potential sponsors, press, etc etc. Unfortunately we didn't have long to get someone in place once we had decided to go with sending a team. Someone that could take that much time off work to go unpaid to Panama. We're sure some of you may be or may know people that would be suited to the roll and we welcome their applications for the next trip.

So there Matt is. They are currently flying. He's off on his jolly that involves organising 12 teenagers to fly across the world to Panama. That involved organising flights, injections, travel insurance, connections, accommodation, transfers, etc etc for a team of 15 within the last month. That involves keeping safe and under control 12 teenagers and 2 Welsh coaches 24/7 for nearly 3 weeks. Teenagers that will have wins and losses whilst being very far away from their parents, in a foreign country, with funny food and bugs and stuff. I'm fairly sure if any of my school trips as a teenager are anything to go on it may be a little like herding cats at times. Hardly a jolly as you may begin to appreciate.

Why am I telling you all this? Well because it's about transparency. And actually. I have a confession. I told a little white lie up there. At the start. Sorry. You see when you ask who is running surfing in this country, it isn't actually me, or Matt, or any of our team. We're just taking care of it for YOU. We're trying to listen to you all and what YOU want and make sure we're taking surfing in this country to where it should be. We're a members led organisation and we're just like all of you. We're passionate about or sport ... well I say that ... thats a little bit of a lie also. We aren't a sport. We aren't recognised as one. Which is why we need an NGB. We'd just rather you did it directly, so we can answer before a thread get's over a month old and we just happen to stumble on it. We're happy to answer questions and take phone calls.

And finally I get to my last point (hurrah I hear you cry!!) I want to say thank you. For taking the time to write this thread.

For writing these comments;

" I can't imagine surfing GB will start taking kids from deprived areas of glasgow surfing

anyway, what would interest me , from a social inclusion perspective, was if 'the governing body' invested time and effort in getting kids with troubled / poverty / poor educational backgrounds into surfing and put some time into widening the net

a national body should be there to drawn down funds from central government (Sport England) to support up and coming athletes.

if they brought back the old structure regional champs certain number qualify for nationals [ welsh scottish nth irish and english...] and theres your british team for better or for worse

network of strong local clubs building a community and supporting local surfers with transport etc

always running things in schools etc for everybody all over the country

seriously if there is someone reading my advice is start at the bottom"

Because actually, unless you have a spy in our midst at every meeting and on every email this is EXACTLY what we wish to achieve. That hearing you asking for those things tells us without you speaking to us that we ARE doing what you want. What our surfers in the UK want. And if you don't want it and you don't want an NGB then we can all go back to our normal lives and put it to bed.

You just confirmed that all the hours are worth it, and that you ARE involved wether you have paid or not.

And that more importantly you CARE about surfing. Because what would be worse then getting slagged off is if no-one was bothered at all.

Yes the end goal is a high flying World Champ. Imagine that. We all sit down to watch Bells in 10years time and there's a Union Jack flying that isn't part of any Ozzy or Hawaiian flag. That's also backed up by flags from Wales, Scotland, Yorkshire Roses, Cornwall, Devon, or where ever our amazing athlete comes from.

But how do you think we get there? It's by looking after our grass roots. It's by ensuring that Saltburn Surf Club* (*insert your own club, school, company etc here) has the support, the structure, the standards and the access to funding or sponsorship that an NGB can drive. Yes you can strike out and do it alone and many clubs do. But it's easier for Sport England or Sport UK or Scotland or the EU to dish out one LARGE pot of funding for an NGB to administer than lots of little pots. I know. I've heard it from the horses mouth.

We can't do this without paying wages. At some point Matt has to go back to the real world and start earning some money to support his family. He has put his own business plans on hold to take this bull by the horns. And what that means is memberships to some degree so we can pay people in the roles that are needed. Yes there are grants but we want to be able to access them to pay them forward to you, not pay wages. That's what your membership also goes towards. We're asking people to take a vote of confidence with their feet. Sitting on the sidelines and waiting to see what happens doesn't help us get participation levels up to enable recognition by the government that we are a sport. It doesn't help us pay to print out booklets for school kids and clubs, or maybe buy a mini bus to help take our projects and some disadvantage children to the beach for free lessons. Or give an SGB grant out so that any one of the fantastic projects in the UK doing just that can carry on doing it.

If any of you magically have an Ian Cairns type figure up your sleeve that will do all this work for free then please pass them my phone number. I would be more than happy to take that phone call.
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby spewing » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:07 am

Thanks for posting that Kerry

Its always good to know that there are people out there who will steep up to the mark.
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby mal-nourished » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:48 pm

well done kerry for your response .. :wink: good to hear you are pro-active in re-building the governing body and wish you all the luck in doing so...as you have stated its going to be a long slow process and rightfully so the foundations need to be strong and the trust rebuilt due to the damage to the reputation caused by previous mis-management ..hopefully you have enough experienced people involved to get it up and running ... 8)
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby Poo Stance » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:41 pm

I think I deserve a medal for reading that. You harp on more than me.

I don't really give a shit either way what happens with the NGB. The less people that surf the better for me. But can appreciate that's not everyones angle. However, I'm an opinionated bastard.

1stly. I'd say as appointed (self or otherwise) communicator for SGB, you suck. No offence but I think you need to hear it. If only for the benefit of SGB. I mean, was it easy to read all that? No. Was any of it even relevant? You spent so long writing that, did you proof read it? Twice? I would say well done to you for taking up the mantle but I think it would be drowned out by the violin following you around.

Without wanted to bleat on too much... Transparency. Have a word. If your serious about engaging people and wanting them to shape your organisation to their needs. How about actually offering something of substance. Put up your application to Sports UK or whoever you go to to gain NGB status. Let us see your 1-3-5 year plans. Your organisational structure etc.

You seem resentful that this thread was started without SGB being informed. Well you're the communications guy. You've responded to peoples comments by saying 'yeah we're doing that' but what else or you doing that people don't know about? Maybe there was something hidden in that epilog that I missed tho.

Sorry if I'm being cuntish and blunt. I'm sure folk here appreciate your intentions and efforts and are willing to engage with you so don't take my response too much to heart as others will offer more constructive help. But maybe a shorter more concise and less self appreciative post would have done. Hope you stick around though if your really interested in growing SGB as there are enough well informed and well intended people on here that can help you.

Would be quite interested in seeing the application documents for becoming an NGB.
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby Leedsol » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:59 pm

To be fair with only a few regular core posters (who may or may not even surf that often) Kerry would do well to stay away from MSW. Good on 'em. Its nice to see the clubbies in Summer in the swest running up and down the beach and then having a comp. More of a community than on here and no different than when I used to train few times a week playing for my local catholic football team (c'mon Barrow Celtic). Its just about fun and a shared history. Fanning said MP was the original coolangatta kid etc harking back to the clubbies that brought them through. Not everyone's gonna be world champ but to feel part of a community is good. Generations of family surf in France, Aus and US - Be nice to see it here.

I've never been a member of the UK org, I might join now
You're too deep Camel..its Indo not Margaret River
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Re: Who is running surfing in the UK now?

Postby kerrypow » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:16 pm

Thanks poostance - every opinion is welcome. As I said we like to talk. Not bothered about the attack either, and there's no violin following me or anyone else around. You missed the point. Like I said the phone number is there if any of you wish to use it. Whether you want to join or not. As you said you don't care, but you took the time to write another lengthy response so you must do.

There's no resentment there towards a thread being started without us- you all seemed keen to have us involved and kept asking for it, we've made no bones about the fact we are here and willing to talk. We even put out surveys to try and get a bit of engagement. Im sure you'll agree thats more than the 'NGB' has done for a fair few years. What was a bit crap was the abuse of children who are working hard to live a bit of their dreams. But that's my personal opinion.

You can have a medal if you so request, it's Easter, send me your address and I'll post you an egg. Thanks for taking the time to read it.

I'm aware there are grammatical errors, there's even the word you in there instead of to. I'm not particularly bothered about my punctuation either at that time on a Saturday after Magic Seaweed lost my post, twice. I'd apologise for it being a passionate post, but, I don't see that it should. Some people have a better idea of what is going on 'behind closed doors' now. For those of you that want more in depth info we've offered better lines of communication for you to do that.

Drop me an email /phonecall and I'll do my best to answer some structured questions about what you are looking for from us, this NGB that you don't care exists or not. People are already in the water. There's a huge increase in participation numbers. Surely there should be a body there to make sure it's all done safely, that there are support for clubs which are community centres for people who love the water are they not? Building bridges with your neighbours and friendships for life?

Mal-nourished, I forgot to say about your judging certificate, drop me a line and I can sort that out for you. Need a bit more info etc to work with.

The door is open people, all you got to do us walk through. Before you ask, I've tried to proof read this but I'm on my mobile and it's difficult.
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