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Re: van or estate?

Postby defever » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:57 pm

Thanks for all your 2p on this. I have a lot more clearer idea on what I want for my need.

Been really useful. I hope others found it useful too.
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Re: van or estate?

Postby Philshoz » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:09 am

defever wrote:Thanks for all your 2p on this. I have a lot more clearer idea on what I want for my need.

Been really useful. I hope others found it useful too.


So what have you decided to go for?
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Re: van or estate?

Postby defever » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:27 am

T4! I wish. Definitely I will own one in the future, but not just yet.

So with £2,000 (plus £500 for any immediate repair, tax, insurance change etc.) budget, I'm looking at diesel engine estate with 150,000+miles (full service history, 1-2 owners, ideally long MOT & Tax, etc.):

1. A4 Avant 1.9L TDI 100/110bhp (pre-2001 model within in my budget, fits in nicely with some of the comments here)
2. VW Passat Estate 1.9L TDI 100bhp (as above, lesser efficiency than A4 though)
3. Ford Mondeo Esate 2.0L TDCI 110/130bhp (Zetec? Ghia? LX? don't know the difference)
4. VW Golf Estate or Ford Focus Estate (55+mpg but not so keen on the "bolt-on" look)
5. BMW 3 Touring 320D (Expensive repair/insurance but I won't feel embarrassed driving in to work car park full of Audi, BMW, Merc... I'm shallow)

They all have good MPG (47-52MPG), good “badge”, “sleep-able” with rear seats down, not too big to drive (unlike Honda Accord, they’re limousine!). Big enough and efficient enough for my use (bit of town drive, frequent Devon-Sussex drive, and occasional weekend/week “surf trip/camping”).

One of the things I’m concerned about getting a van is the transition from driving a small hatchback to something monstrous like T4 (and poor rear view). I’d feel comfortable trying out an estate first then move on to a van. Plus I don’t think I look “friendly” if I rock up with T4 for a visit to a vulnerable individual’s home in a quiet, out of town cul-de-sac…
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Re: van or estate?

Postby ATTMFKH » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:16 pm

^^ you'll get one no bother at that price , maybe not the BMW - you should be looking at sub 100K miles for that price though.
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Re: van or estate?

Postby WP101 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:48 pm

ATTMFKH wrote:^^ you'll get one no bother at that price , maybe not the BMW - you should be looking at sub 100K miles for that price though.


agreed.
the beemers a nice enough car but tiny in the back, boring as hell inside and shite in the snow/wet.

i take it your not interested in octavias? theyre cheap as chips to run and thankfully there are still folk out there who have badge snobbery so you get a lot for your money.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... ?logcode=p
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Re: van or estate?

Postby defever » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:15 pm

WP101 wrote: octavia estate? same floorpan as golf estate but not as tough. plastics & paint tend to be weaker, this is where they save manufacturing costs.

seats are poop, bad, bad electrics, NOT just a rebadged golf/polo etc


At the very begining I was thinking about either Octavia or Mondeo. Then I decided to steer away... They have 55MPG though. Well Reunalt and Peugeot have the highest MPG (some go all the way up to 60+MPG combined!), BUT I got the impression from quite few comments in here that French cars are definitely the ones to stay away from...
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Re: van or estate?

Postby WP101 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:41 pm

WP101 wrote:seats are poop, bad, bad electrics, NOT just a rebadged golf/polo etc


i meant Seat. It looks like i wrote seat as in where your arse goes :-)
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Re: van or estate?

Postby defever » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:17 pm

Oh... In that case, Octavia is par with Ford Mondeo on the list!
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Re: van or estate?

Postby Philshoz » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:59 am

defever wrote:T4! I wish. Definitely I will own one in the future, but not just yet.

So with £2,000 (plus £500 for any immediate repair, tax, insurance change etc.) budget, I'm looking at diesel engine estate with 150,000+miles (full service history, 1-2 owners, ideally long MOT & Tax, etc.):

1. A4 Avant 1.9L TDI 100/110bhp (pre-2001 model within in my budget, fits in nicely with some of the comments here)
2. VW Passat Estate 1.9L TDI 100bhp (as above, lesser efficiency than A4 though)
3. Ford Mondeo Esate 2.0L TDCI 110/130bhp (Zetec? Ghia? LX? don't know the difference)
4. VW Golf Estate or Ford Focus Estate (55+mpg but not so keen on the "bolt-on" look)
5. BMW 3 Touring 320D (Expensive repair/insurance but I won't feel embarrassed driving in to work car park full of Audi, BMW, Merc... I'm shallow)

They all have good MPG (47-52MPG), good “badge”, “sleep-able” with rear seats down, not too big to drive (unlike Honda Accord, they’re limousine!). Big enough and efficient enough for my use (bit of town drive, frequent Devon-Sussex drive, and occasional weekend/week “surf trip/camping”).

One of the things I’m concerned about getting a van is the transition from driving a small hatchback to something monstrous like T4 (and poor rear view). I’d feel comfortable trying out an estate first then move on to a van. Plus I don’t think I look “friendly” if I rock up with T4 for a visit to a vulnerable individual’s home in a quiet, out of town cul-de-sac…


The T4 isn't a monster and with the elevated sitting position and huge mirrors you have very good visibility. Add a window to the sliding door and hey-presto.

Of the above I would expect the Audi to be expensive on parts, just guessing, so VW Passat would be good, just ask Poo Stance.

I agree about the Golf, it just doesn't look right as an estate bit like the new mini in clubman form :shock: :oops:
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Re: van or estate?

Postby WP101 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:20 pm

Philshoz wrote:I agree about the Golf, it just doesn't look right as an estate bit like the new mini in clubman form :shock: :oops:


you just need the vision :lol: nippy/cavernous/economical/comfortable/dirt cheap to buy/cheap as hell for parts/bombproof/simple (no fancy stuff to go wrong)/cracking tdi engine :-D

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Re: van or estate?

Postby ATTMFKH » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:22 pm

^^ shit ground clearance - rip the arse off it down dirt tracks .................... apart from that :-D
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Re: van or estate?

Postby Nick... » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:14 pm

I drive an estate, and i think the best thing about it, is that it flies under the "surfer's car" radar,the number of T4 and T5's around my area is insane and its nice not to be seen as "yet another surfer"
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Re: van or estate?

Postby philo » Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:05 pm

you all need a fiat Scudo, party van on the east coast
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Re: van or estate?

Postby Chris F » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:44 pm

Well your one is!
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Re: van or estate?

Postby Vince Noir » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:28 am

mazda bongo
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Re: van or estate?

Postby WP101 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:18 pm

Vince Noir wrote:mazda bongo


import only, no underseal, rust and pish mpg, pity cos theyre cool as.
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Re: van or estate?

Postby well-chilled-out » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:29 pm

My rat look single cab Mazda B2500 diesel pick up...Any prangs-re-roller paint it in five minutes...smashed wing mirror repaired with wifes baking tin...Throw boards in back. no straps no hassle..40 mpg, gets down any dirt track..Erect tent on flat bed when you want to sleep over...Bought for £200 ( spent a few quid doing up) Bomb proof diesel engine, went through MOT without hassle...Cool as feck against 'same o'T5'S & £25,000 saved to buy toys...Gets from A to B, just slower.....Pick ups every time...If good enough for the Californian scene then crappy pick ups are good enough for me...& if it dies I can be environmentally friendly & sell to Africa on Fleabay so it can be recycled & tastefully customised in camo & a cannon mounted on the flat bed..I'm all thought.
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Re: van or estate?

Postby Chris F » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:21 pm

You like making these bold statements don't you.
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Re: van or estate?

Postby insideout » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:34 pm

WCO - has your Mazda taken on the AG tidal road at high tide and survived?
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Re: van or estate?

Postby WP101 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:55 pm

Chris F wrote:You like making these bold statements don't you.


often wondered wtf he does that??
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Re: van or estate?

Postby Chris F » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:58 pm

well-chilled-out wrote:to Africa on Fleabay so it can be recycled & tastefully customised in camo & a cannon mounted on the flat bed..I'm all thought.[/b]


I thought Toyota Landcruisers were the weapon of choice for mounting a nice recoilless gun?
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Re: van or estate?

Postby insideout » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:59 pm

WP101 wrote:
Chris F wrote:You like making these bold statements don't you.


often wondered wtf he does that??


Because he too is Bald....... No joke
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Re: van or estate?

Postby Chris F » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:00 pm

WP101 wrote:
Chris F wrote:You like making these bold statements don't you.


often wondered wtf he does that??


Inferiority complex? :lol:
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Re: van or estate?

Postby defever » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:47 pm

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Re: van or estate?

Postby ATTMFKH » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:10 pm

here's one for the top of your van

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Re: van or estate?

Postby WP101 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:27 pm

ATTMFKH wrote:here's one for the top of your van

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what, you mean his:

Image van? ..really sorry about that :oops:
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Re: van or estate?

Postby defever » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:34 pm

Or a surf van that's powered by Image dust...

Don't worry I have my coat already...
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Re: van or estate?

Postby defever » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:13 pm

anyways...

does anyone know exactly what "p/x (part exchange) to clear" means between the line??
Bit of googling tells me that it means a dealer has taken a car as a payment from a customer for one of its cars but flogging it straight away to get a little profit.

Some say it can be a real bargain: If a quality car dealer may "p/x to clear" a car which may be par from its usual quality, but can still be a good car for someone. They just want to shift it so they price it to sell. (Ford Mondeo px to clear from a dealer with Jaguar, Merc, etc. why would the dealer dare to accept Mondeo as p/x in first place though?).

Some other say boldly steer clear! because a dealer has no interest in the p/x'd car and doesn't care it's condition and will not bother inventing to get it repaired/serviced/MOT'd or tax'd. Just after some quick buck to cover the payment from the original transaction. Usually a junk.

Any car dealers here?
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Re: van or estate?

Postby WP101 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:10 am

Theres a chance he just cant be bothered with it as it doesnt fit his forecourt model range.Too old, too much hassle bringing it up to a standard that he could warranty, he gave the buyer 3p for it. Could be a bargain, could be a raft, always take someone in the know with you to check it out.

you mentioned jag, has anyone mentioned that already? reckon the xtype estate could be nice, as long as it isnt metallic beige, good reviews in parkers etc
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Re: van or estate?

Postby defever » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:32 am

SurfOnYourBum wrote:It is worth considering a Jaguar X-Type Estate the 2.0D and 2.2D are pretty economical and nice to drive. They are essentially a Ford Mondeo estate made nicer by the people at Jaguar so they are pretty cheap for parts and servicing but are a bit luxury too. The seats fold down completely flat and I have slept in mine on several occasions and it has been fine and the boot is huge so you can fit loads of crap in there (I have had 3 kayaks plus kit in the back of mine with no issue).


Yup.

Thanks for the "p/x to clear" explanation WP101. There is one particular estate I'm looking at but it's stated p/x to clear. Looking at the dealer's forecourt, I think it falls within it's model range. FSH, 12mo MOT, cosmetically looks well (apart from age expected wear/tear), dealer has driven around 100miles and says it's faultless. 1999 TDI car though. Is that why, maybe?
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