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WHICH Droog79/WaveForm Log fin design do you like best? please choose upto 2 options.

01 Red n Blue Drips
4
7%
02 White drips on Turquoise
15
25%
03 Black seascape scene
4
7%
04 Pink n Green lines
4
7%
05 Peace Signs
8
13%
06 Black Drips
3
5%
07 Primary colour drips
5
8%
08 Yellow Drip-face
7
12%
09 Clouds
10
17%
 
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Postby droog79 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:49 am

Hi folks, I know market research is a bit of a no no on here but dont worry i´m not a student asking you lot to complete my dissertation that was meant to be in last week!

In fact it´s good news- I´m working with a Welsh company called Waveform to make a new special edition custom DROOG79 Log fin.

I´ve come up with a load of designs and i´d love to hear some feedback from people i respect :? :shock: and may be potential customers.
Some designs are rough mockups and some production-ready illustrations but i think you get the idea. We´ve made a prototype and it looks beautiful.

Please note - the fin will be 10" and shaped like #08 (some of the other designs are different shapes because they´re quick sketches.)

So..... Which fin do you like best/would you buy for your longboard? Please choose 1 or 2 of your favourites.
Any other general feedback welcome too---- thanks for your help and supporting homegrown talent and industry! 8) 8) :-D

01 Red n Blue Drips
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02 White drips on Turquoise
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03 Black seascape scene
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04 Pink n Green lines
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05 Peace Signs
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06 Black Drips
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07 Primary colour drips
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08 Yellow Drip-face
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09 Clouds
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Postby surfrat » Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:11 am

they look great mate,
shame you gotta produce just one design as it'd all depend so much on what colour your board is as to what you'd choose. Definately gonna try and pick up one of those when they're out. Got anyone to stock them in shops? Try Board Barn cos they do lots of longboard stuff.
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Postby droog79 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:18 am

Cheers Ratman- hopefully this design will only be the first of many, if succesful. "depends on the colour of y´board" whats happened to you?! you got a colour coordinated suit aswell?
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Postby roberdy » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:07 am

loverly work as ever Droogie :)
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Postby bakers » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:11 am

1 & 3 .
all are amazing designs though, was a hard decision. good luck fella!
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Postby droog79 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:16 pm

thanks very much everyone.i think we´ll run this poll for about a week then i´ll keep you in the loop about "the chosen one" - any more offers/suggestions of stockists etc welcome.
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Postby danny1 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:21 pm

They are all exceptional.

My first thought is- why go to a fin producer? You could just buy some and do the art and sell on?

No fucking about
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Postby droog79 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:30 pm

nooooooo mate that is a nightmare!- i tried that last year- the amount of work and cost in materials in sanding, priming, hand drawing, then finishing (eg. glassing or spray lacquering) and individual fin is immense. i´d have to sell them for about 200 quid plus to make it worth my time.

still got a few of these one-offs for sale actually (a lot cheaper!) - it´s fun but not a good business model.
i´ve realised that to make any money in the art game you youve got to sell designs and/or earn royalties on things that can be produced by a 3rd party. Relying on selling originals is like a band only making money when they play live and having to write new songs for every show!
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Postby North Devon Lad » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:02 pm

Nice work Droog.
They're looking ace, personally I like the simplicity of 2 and 7. 2 would work as it doesn't compromise the use of the fin in any coloured board.
Stoked that you've found a company to push you designs onto the fin market.

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Postby danny1 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:35 pm

droog79 wrote:nooooooo mate that is a nightmare!- i tried that last year- the amount of work and cost in materials in sanding, priming, hand drawing, then finishing (eg. glassing or spray lacquering) and individual fin is immense. i´d have to sell them for about 200 quid plus to make it worth my time.

still got a few of these one-offs for sale actually (a lot cheaper!) - it´s fun but not a good business model.
i´ve realised that to make any money in the art game you youve got to sell designs and/or earn royalties on things that can be produced by a 3rd party. Relying on selling originals is like a band only making money when they play live and having to write new songs for every show!


OK what are these guys doing for you?
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Postby droog79 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:35 am

why you sound so cynical danny?! i´m finally getting paid for drawing pictures!
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Postby droog79 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:00 pm

Also working on some board designs for that foam magician DW at ectic concepts::

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Postby danny1 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:37 pm

ha hey sorry mate its great you gettting paid- i cant help but look for easier more efficienct ways to do things...hence the Qs!
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Postby droog79 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:49 am

Thanks for all the feedback so far-please keep voting. we´ll combine this research with feedback from facebook, face to face, and other sources to choose the final design. will keep ya posted.
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Postby Philshoz » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:22 am

Love 07 , very Mondrian-esque imo.......
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Postby Back to Top » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:14 am

2 n 4 for me, No4 has a very 80's pop thing going on.
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Postby Chris F » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:35 am

Maybe a daft question, but aren't some of those designs upside down?

Have voted anyway, hope this works out as a nice little earner for you.
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Postby droog79 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:09 pm

ha ha! yes that is daft/no it isnt. i thought of this when designing it but depends which way your boards is up, i noticed most fins are dusplayed for sale with tip up top (maybe for carpark credibility!) but most of the time, when in actual use it´s "upside down" :?
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Postby JayP » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:44 pm

2!!!! I think it will look the best in the flesh, on a board. then I think drip face has great proportions also for a fin! Love the clouds too but think would be a tad busy when you see it on a fin on a board. Does that make sense? Good luck with it man!
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Postby droog79 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:11 pm

Hi jay p, thanks that is really useful feedback. I might try messing with the scale of the clouds now as I think you have a point.
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Postby droog79 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:13 pm

I'll post a pic of the prototype when I get home too
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Postby droog79 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:08 pm

Here´s a pic of the protoype fin that we made to test the printing and finish . you can see that the print comes out beautifully sharp and colourful, with a nice glossy finish....cant wait to choose the real design and start production...

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Postby tootes » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:58 am

droog79 wrote:Here´s a pic of the protoype fin that we made to test the printing and finish . you can see that the print comes out beautifully sharp and colourful, with a nice glossy finish....cant wait to choose the real design and start production...

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Postby JayP » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:26 pm

Agreed! Looks the dogs!
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Postby Poo Stance » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:34 pm

Hey, GL with this fella. I think you could really be onto something here. Not sure what kind of market exists atm for 'artwork' fins (for lack of a better term), but it sure feels like a niche one with massive potential for growth.

Don't think Danny was being cynical, just blunt and interested.

Some thoughts going through my mind:

I've voted for no9 - clouds. Reason being is that I feel out of all of them if fulfils two criteria. One, it's highly visible for it's colours and design and so will stand out and be seen more in car parks then may-be other colourless designs. And two, in my mind it represents who I see you as a brand better. Ie. It's more consistent with your previous artwork. (of the others only 3,5 & 8 only really seem to follow your lineage, to me - maybe 8 is more so than 9 with it's 'sunface' image).

For me, the power in this kind of product is in it's desirability. It need's to be cool and fresh. Massive marketing campaigns not only devalue 'coolness' but are also costly. Therefore, I think if you are only choosing one design to produce atm it needs to have a good visual impact in the car parks. A subtle bland design that is easily overpowered by board decals or just the miserable grey/wet weather could mean a potential customer doesn't see the fin at all.

Keeping the designs so they are (or become) recognisable as yours, or even better synonymous with Droog79 will hopefully create not just a desire for 'arty fins' but for YOUR 'arty fins'. Hopefully this kind of branding can increase your production of not only fins but all other Droog79 items.

The only real possible pitfall I can see is that when a customer chooses a fin, if they are looking for a certain shape for performance then how does that effect your ability to sell to them?

Looking at SUP fins on ebay, some of them are going for <£100! Almost makes me think I should start laying up some fibreglass. The point I'm making is that bespoke fins, although more time consuming, may not be so far off retail pricing as to dismiss them altogether. I personally think that bespoke fins made by you can only add to your brand. It makes you more accessible as the artist and personalises the whole brand. Adding a certain amount of prestige to owning an original as opposed to just a 'print' of the original.

Anyway. Some food for thought, probably all BS though. Wish you the best of luck with this and hope to see some of your fins loitering around sometime soon. :-D

PS. If this takes off, I'd love a bespoke fin of you as a collectors item. How much you selling the old ones for?
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Postby droog79 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:25 pm

Hi Poo, thanks for the detailed feedback- i will reply to this properly when i´m not rushing as you raise some good points....

Thanks to everyone for your votes - we have combined this with other feedback and our personal preferences and we have decided to go with #9 CLOUDS as the first D79 / Waveform log fin!!
I´ll keep you up to date on progress and availability.....

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Postby Chris F » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:52 pm

Looks grand. Keep us posted. And good luck with the new arrival.
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Postby droog79 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:59 pm

Thanks :-D :-D 5 weeks to go :shock: :shock:

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Postby Chris F » Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:19 pm

Don't buy anything unless you know you need it - my advice. We still have unopened tubs of nappy rash cream, unworn clothes given as presents, etc etc. If anyone wants to buy you anything tell em - nappies!
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Postby Black » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:55 pm

Chris F wrote:If anyone wants to buy you anything tell em - nappies!
Thats crap advice...........

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