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Hunting

A grand day out
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Tar and feather the buggers
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Postby slopsurfer » Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:03 am

I wholeheartedly agree U4d18

I think the majority of the problem people have is it is predominantly a rich mans Sport, I have never seen protesters boycot the farms round my way when guys in flat caps come with ferrits and terriers to kill the rabbits and rats.

The whole thing is inverted snobery and part of our nations endless class struggle.

HUNTERS - people who go round in GANGS with dogs are NOT hunters, just yobs with posh accents


But the fact is those who will suffer from the hunting ban will not be the toffs, they'll find some other amusement, maybe surfing. The real victim will be the flat capped country labourer, the farmer, the gamekeeper, the village pub owner.

Yet again the prejudice of the masses bites them in the butt.
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Postby u4d18 » Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:18 am

Thanks for the correction BigJohn, from what you're saying I guess that digging doesn't occur too frequently and it isn't a desired part of the hunt (as previous poster was implying that it happened all the time).

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Postby noodlehutt » Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:14 am

I can some of the reasons behind fox hunting, but the main reason i can see seems to be controlling the fox population. I dont believe hunting them with dogs is right and think there are other more humane ways of going about it. The media has definately portrade people who partake in hunts as 'posh' and the only people i hear talking about them where i live have a massive plum in their mouth. Now i know this doesnt mean they all are 'posh' but there is definately a class thing surrounding hunts. As for stuff like fishing, i seem to remeber not that long ago some group was trying to get it banned as it was cruel. Your right where is this ever gonna end?

I dont dount that hunt protesters are probably pretty nasty about the way they do things, as are the animal rights protesters and i have witnessed that.

There are a lot of things about this country that bother me, the majority of it caused by the media twisting things and taking them completey out of context, too many people believe what they are told without even thinking about it.

At the end of the day as someone said, this is a democracy, which unfortunately probably means the countryside will always loose out as the majority live in cities.
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Postby slopsurfer » Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:25 am

I dont believe hunting them with dogs is right and think there are other more humane ways of going about it.


Dogs are n't human, it's natural for them to kill and rip vermine.

Also Mr fox is not a cuddly toy, he'll kill your free range chickens, eat your ginger bread men and all sorts of wickedness. :wink:

The fact is killing anything is not nice but it's a part of life, i feel we have become way too sanitised and distant from the way our food is prepared.
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Postby noodlehutt » Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:58 am

i see what your saying and dont disagree, but how far do you go back in nature? Dogs weren't naturally house pets, netiher are snakes, rats, cats etc etc

i know foxes arent cuddly toys and need to be controlled, its just the way its done is all i'm saying :wink:

Maybe we need to get rid of shops/supermarkets and go back to hunting ourselves :lol:
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Postby slopsurfer » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:02 am

i'm with you noodle force everyone to have an allotment with chickens and grow/kill thier own food.

Move over Hugh Fernley Whitingstall, Good life here we come :lol:
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Postby u4d18 » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:06 pm

Slopsurfer you are spot on. I think people eat far too much meat these days because it's all so clinical and easy. Last time I went to the supermarket I got 8 chicken drum sticks. When I thought about it that's 4 chickens killed to give me food. To be honest, if I had to kill the chicken, pluck it's feathers, and dress it myself I'd eat far less chicken and other meat than I do now. Don't get me wrong, I'm no veggie, but I think it's too easy to eat alot of meat these days without considering what went into the process of getting it onto that nicely packaged supermarket shelf.
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Postby slopsurfer » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:10 pm

To be honest, if I had to kill the chicken, pluck it's feathers, and dress it myself I'd eat far less chicken and other meat than I do now.


Or more meat, a whole cows a whole lotta eatin' :lol: I share a cow with some friends, organicaly grown, humanely slaughtered, and butchered in part by myself, good livin' and cheaper than the supermarket
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Postby frameline » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:15 pm

slopsurfer wrote:
The fact is killing anything is not nice but it's a part of life, i feel we have become way too sanitised and distant from the way our food is prepared.


Yep too true, but once again, if you are going to go and kill something that has equal right to life that we do, or our chickens yada yada. We should maintain respect for that animal and ensure it is killed in the most humane way possible, and NOT make a big show and dance about it, prancing round in ridiculous costumes, blowing horns and riding roughshot all over the place, and as for getting 'blooded' where the dead foxes blood is wiped on your face, disgusting..... :evil: The topic for me is more about having sensitivity to that that we need to destroy, we have no more right than any other species to exist, yet when we chose to kill for food, space, vermin control, we should show some damn respect....
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Postby slopsurfer » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:29 pm

I tend to agree that some of the custom is barbaric and disrespectful, not all hunts indulge in these practices, but i don't see a fox being killed by a pack of dogs a barbaric, it's probably more natural than an excecution, at least the fox has adrenelin pumping and a sense of getting away, with poisoning it's a slow painful and pitiless death.

we have no more right than any other species to exist,


i'd disagree there, but as stewards of this earth we have a responsability to it and all creatures on it to save them from unnesecary distress.

Criminal profilers have proven that people who gain pleasure from cruelty to animals often have cruel tendancies towards fellow man.
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Postby Bigjohn » Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:28 pm

Hunters have huge respect for their quarry,gained from understanding it. They enjoy the hunt, if they enjoyed making foxes suffer they would use the methods that remain legal. And as for the traditions that go with hunting, what the hell has it got to do with anyone else. A smear of a dead animals blood on your face or a pink coat or hunting horn,so what? Hate filled ignorance about what people wear and their traditional way of doing things, break out the swasticas and jack boots.
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Postby Grizzly » Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:34 pm

completely unrelated aside:
the swastika was originally a Hindu symbol to invoke good luck. In WWI, some British planes had swastikas painted on to ensure their return. But, since the nazis used it, it's original meaning has been forgotten.

And the original version had the arms going one way, the nazis the other, but I forget which was which.
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Postby Bigjohn » Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:37 pm

Grizzly wrote:completely unrelated aside:
the swastika was originally a Hindu symbol to invoke good luck. the original version had the arms going one way, the nazis the other, but I forget which was which.


If its painted on the front of a panzerdont stop to ask!!! :lol:
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Postby thedeadly » Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:37 pm

cant be arsed - replies later - got home in time - watergate awaits me - i'm gone - wwwwooooooosssssssshhhhhhh !
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Postby Grizzly » Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:39 pm

Bigjohn wrote:If its painted on the front of a panzerdont stop to ask!!! :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby village-idiot » Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:05 pm

Its been banned since 2002 up here - the economy hasn't collapsed yet from the millions of lost jobs either...

most of all though everyone loved giving a big "up yours" to the four fingered inbreeds that make up the hunting population

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Postby frameline » Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:09 pm

most of all though everyone loved giving a big "up yours" to the four fingered inbreeds that make up the hunting population


Yes I have to say that I am sadly not above a 'class war', and loved seeing all the Range Rover posse getting all haughty.....Im a child I know... :D :D
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Postby u4d18 » Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:55 pm

Did you know that with the new law in Scotland even more foxes die because the hunting hasn't stopped. Instead they use the dogs to drive the foxes towards the guns where they are shot before the dogs get onto them. Before the hunting ban young fit foxes would get away and the old ones would get caught and be killed. Now it is the young ones that are dying because often they are the first to jump from cover.... So actually this law is killing more foxes than ever, but whatever, at least it's humane..... so all the protesters should be well happy.

Oh yeah, I find it so funny that guys who dress up in a black neoprene suits to ride waves over and over in the cold ocean can judge others who wear different clothes and ride horses. Sorry, but this hypocracy is bordering on the insane. I guess you look at your own life and think it's relatively normal, I'm sure people who go hunting do the same... Are you guys paid up members of the National Socialist party?
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Postby slopsurfer » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:00 pm

Did n't you know that all surfers were tree hugging hippies :?: :?: :?:
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Postby frameline » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:02 pm

No mate, we just represent the MAJORITY of the UK who think that hunting should be banned. There are plenty of arguments for and against, I see all your points, and indeed some of them are valid, however I am still pleased that they banned hunting, and it would appear from the poll here that so far the majority of the board also...

'Live and let live' I say - hell yes :D , but 'live and let live (but kill for fun)' F@$K that :twisted: ...
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Postby frameline » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:05 pm

[quote="u4d18"]Oh yeah, I find it so funny that guys who dress up in a black neoprene suits to ride waves over and over in the cold ocean can judge others who wear different clothes and ride horses. Sorry, but this hypocracy is bordering on the insane. quote]

I ain't got no problem with show jumpers and jockeys mate, just the ones that race around with blood lust....
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Postby Bigjohn » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:13 pm

Isn't it funny how when you have a proper experience of something, true ignorance shines out. (I hear the march of distant jack boots) Kosher meat anyone?
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Postby Bigjohn » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:22 pm

ben wrote:
the swastika was originally a Hindu symbol to invoke good luck.




Its the only thing that has ever stuck in my mind from a museum so I can't help but share it ;)

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Thanks mate. Shall we have a leg each? :lol:
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Postby frameline » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:24 pm

Bigjohn wrote:Isn't it funny how when you have a proper experience of something, true ignorance shines out. (I hear the march of distant jack boots) Kosher meat anyone?


Isnt it also funny how easy it is to make a sweeping statment like that when you do NOT indeed know how much experience I have had, I grew up on a farm and have much experince in killing pests and vermin. We don't all have to think like you John....
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Postby Bigjohn » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:54 pm

Frameline -
"race around with bloodlust"
"range rover posse getting all haughty"
"Prancing round in rediculous costumes"
"Riding roughshod all over the place"
These words demonstrate your point about sweeping statements. We are talking about people with a deep respect and holistic understanding and love for the country side, people who have built their world around an ancient and once respected activity that was many things to many country folk. Many people who are on low (agricultural) wages are about to lose their jobs,homes and a lifestyle that means everything to them in one hit. Some of these people are my friends and I understand their hurt.
Ask yourself this;
Although it will never happen, how would you feel if the majority found a reason to ban surfing?
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Postby frameline » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:56 pm

Its a fair cop gov, I know when I am beaten.... my opinion still stands, but I respect yours...good points well put :) :)
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Postby Bigjohn » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:02 pm

Nuff said, Its a done deal anyway. Respect though :)
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Postby Grizzly » Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:52 pm

Bigjohn wrote:Although it will never happen, how would you feel if the majority found a reason to ban surfing?


well *that's* jinxed us...
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Postby thedeadly » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:22 pm

Although it will never happen, how would you feel if the majority found a reason to ban surfing?


i'd move to somewhere where it wasn't banned

any way the majority in this country wants it banned for what ever reason and also if you look the majoruty on here do too - just democracy - do you wear a crash helmet when you ride a motorbike ???? i can remember going MAG protests about the law on crash helmets - 20 yrs later i think its a damn good law

nuff said - not every one can win all the time

one last question before i leave this thread for good - why cant fox hunters do drag hunting instead - just don't understand what the problem is with that - its exactly the same thing - dogs chase smell - horses follow dogs ?????????????
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Postby slopsurfer » Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:32 pm

why cant fox hunters do drag hunting instead - just don't understand what the problem is with that - its exactly the same thing - dogs chase smell - horses follow dogs ?????????????


Good idea, get an extreme moto X rider and tie a dead fox to his back, wooooohoooo 8)
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