








....maybe I hit the nail on the head and big brother doesn't want it out there!
ATTMFKH wrote:
Philchapman wrote:
Been out and about in my van for over a week, and one thing I've noticed on clear nights, or what 'should' have been clear nights with minimal or no cloud cover, is that it's increasingly difficult to see stars clearly. Hazy stars yes, but no crystal clear views of stars.
Anyone else noticed this? Any amateur astronomers puzzled by this? Just to confirm, the haze was in the sky and not my brain.![]()
Vince Noir wrote:Philchapman wrote:
Been out and about in my van for over a week, and one thing I've noticed on clear nights, or what 'should' have been clear nights with minimal or no cloud cover, is that it's increasingly difficult to see stars clearly. Hazy stars yes, but no crystal clear views of stars.
Anyone else noticed this? Any amateur astronomers puzzled by this? Just to confirm, the haze was in the sky and not my brain.![]()
light pollution
danny1 wrote:I still don't see any patterns in the sky activities...im erring on the side of "its normal contrails" about 60.40
Philchapman wrote:Vince Noir wrote:Philchapman wrote:
Been out and about in my van for over a week, and one thing I've noticed on clear nights, or what 'should' have been clear nights with minimal or no cloud cover, is that it's increasingly difficult to see stars clearly. Hazy stars yes, but no crystal clear views of stars.
Anyone else noticed this? Any amateur astronomers puzzled by this? Just to confirm, the haze was in the sky and not my brain.![]()
light pollution
Not in the middle of nowhere on Dartmoor, or in the Forest of Dean, or in the Brecon Beacons which was where I've been.
Kind of agree though, 'light pollution'... as in Geoengineering particles polluting the air and blocking natural light.danny1 wrote:I still don't see any patterns in the sky activities...im erring on the side of "its normal contrails" about 60.40
Have you been out on a clear or moslty clear day Danny, and then watched planes lay 'CONtrails' in a grid pattern, which over the course of the next few hours spread out and persist and create a silvery haze? I'm talking looking at the sky over the course of 3-4 hours while there are planes out doing this, always just above the level of any 'normal' cloud. Have you watched any of the links I have been posting? I don't get how people can NOT see this! There's no point me posting anything further if what I've already posted hasn't convinced you.
However... he says it all at 1.55![]()
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuZFy1zbIM
Leven wrote:If you look hard enough for something you'll probably find it, even if it's not real.....I think staring at the sky for 4 hours counts as looking hard enough!
Vince Noir wrote:Leven wrote:If you look hard enough for something you'll probably find it, even if it's not real.....I think staring at the sky for 4 hours counts as looking hard enough!
precisely.
its called confirmation bias. people are notoriously bad at interpreting their environment. there is no way you can look at the sky and empirically state that it is less bright than before, without taking any actual measurements and then conclude that it is chemtrails.
Philchapman wrote:
precisely.
its called confirmation bias. people are notoriously bad at interpreting their environment. there is no way you can look at the sky and empirically state that it is less bright than before, without taking any actual measurements and then conclude that it is chemtrails.
I kind of agree with you there Vince, with the confirmation bias, as that's exactly what you are doing to convince yourself that there's nothing to see here.
It works both ways. I do however have a very finely tuned bullshit detector, and have 20-25 (?) more years experience than you at looking at the natural world.
If you unquestioningly think you are being told 'the truth' on television, or by other mainstream media, you are foolish, to say the least.
Unfortunately, the same goes for most of the non-mainstream media now.
Re: brightness of the sky. Nowhere above did I empirically state that the sky is less bright than it was, as any kind of final statement of fact. I did state that on nights where it should have been clear, the stars were vague and misty instead of clearly visible.
Again I agree with Vince, what is needed is rigorous scientific study of visible star brightness from earth
Philchapman wrote:Vince Noir wrote:Philchapman wrote:
Been out and about in my van for over a week, and one thing I've noticed on clear nights, or what 'should' have been clear nights with minimal or no cloud cover, is that it's increasingly difficult to see stars clearly. Hazy stars yes, but no crystal clear views of stars.
Anyone else noticed this? Any amateur astronomers puzzled by this? Just to confirm, the haze was in the sky and not my brain.![]()
light pollution
Not in the middle of nowhere on Dartmoor, or in the Forest of Dean, or in the Brecon Beacons which was where I've been.
Kind of agree though, 'light pollution'... as in Geoengineering particles polluting the air and blocking natural light.danny1 wrote:I still don't see any patterns in the sky activities...im erring on the side of "its normal contrails" about 60.40
Have you been out on a clear or moslty clear day Danny, and then watched planes lay 'CONtrails' in a grid pattern, which over the course of the next few hours spread out and persist and create a silvery haze? I'm talking looking at the sky over the course of 3-4 hours while there are planes out doing this, always just above the level of any 'normal' cloud. Have you watched any of the links I have been posting? I don't get how people can NOT see this! There's no point me posting anything further if what I've already posted hasn't convinced you.
However... he says it all at 1.55![]()
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuZFy1zbIM
danny1 wrote:Here's what I don't get.
If they are trying to block the sun, why?
If it is for climate change purposes- ie CO2 levels are out of control and can't be reigned in for 1000s years... why don't they tell us and we can all change behaviour and stil stimulate the economy with the new tech available.
If they are blocking the sun out to reduce vitamin D and cause depression- then why do big pharma sell Vit D?
If they are adding stuff into the mix to control the population- there's much better ways of doing it.
Other things that mean it doesnt add up for me
danny1 wrote:I also don't get why they are doing this only over westernised countries as far as i can see this does not happen in morrocco africa india etc
danny1 wrote:If it is for climate change purposes- ie CO2 levels are out of control and can't be reigned in for 1000s years... why don't they tell us and we can all change behaviour and stil stimulate the economy with the new tech available.
Philchapman wrote: we have a climate change denier!![]()
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