when is small to small ?

[buttholesurfer]

I'm just having the glassed on keels that have a massive base , removed from my Bing and lokbox plugs being installed, no there not the Gephart fins , just some bit of ply a beaver has had ago at foiling.I found the large base great for drive , but a bugger to turn. So I've opted for Pavel keel haulers , plus I can move them around in the box to tweak the feel.
One of the glassed on keels had a slight crack in the rear base of the fin, it now has a 1 1/2" crack, who says you can't get these cranked into a turn.

[nawgy1979]

when you can't touch the sides

[Quetonto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ78EMPsG6c

starting at 1:03 smallest i've ever seen haha,

[zboy]

ive another board its 4.8 and it has hand foiled half moons great for drive but jus not there for serious turns at all.pavel keels are great i had a set on a 5.10 pavel fish

[buttholesurfer]

ive another board its 4.8 and it has hand foiled half moons great for drive but jus not there for serious turns at all.pavel keels are great i had a set on a 5.10 pavel fish

I've got a 5'10 Pavel twin, I actually put CI turbo fins in it...thing surfs really well for a keel fish. So many fins so little time.

[mister-griffster]

Anyone for a 4'4" speed square? I'd conclude that thing works!

https://vimeo.com/61914305

[royal]

been on the short wide trip for a long ass time and have this to add...

you will eventually get to a point where you're dragging more of yourself through the water to either get out the back, or more importantly into the wave. Your body is nowhere near as streamlined as your board, so bear that in mind...

a longer rail line will have more inherent glide per stroke than a shorter one - no matter the volume, etc etc etc. Try paddling a 5' sim into a heaving wave and then try paddling a reasonable 6'0", or even longer with same volume. "They" paddle in on guns, and ride logs in small waves for a reason...

my conclusion after 10+ years is that if you're surfing a beach, reef, point where you have a set take off, or at least reasonably similar paddle out, and decent conditions, go as short as you're comfortable, then take off an inch or two(given certain designs etc.) If there's water moving, in the realm of rips, heavy side shores, or pushing swell, go longer - which these days would be considered "normal" a few years ago...

just my opinion of course

[Archy_is_God]

You hit the nail on the head, Rob.

You still in SC? Thought you were heading over East maybe?

[zboy]

that may be true, think of spongers, mat riders, true they have fins,but look what they ride and how heavy and big the waves they ride are. the potential for for going realy short is there especialy on points reefs because by nature on good days they are mechanical by nature, get your spot and your there.size width of a board is a comfort thing and very much personal choice, but a lot of foam is wasted when you get into the wave.

[Archy_is_God]

On the whole, you don't see spongers out at open water breaks like Sunset or Waimea (Mike Stewart notwithstanding) though.... Neither do you see them go drop-knee too much in solid surf, so they're not having to get in early enough to get to their feet.

But yeah, if it's a mechanical wave with a defined take-off, then you don't need so much board... it can often be a hinderance, I think. Horses for courses

[dixie]

i like turtles

[Archy_is_God]

Not in soup though....

[browncurtains]

Anyone for a 4'4" speed square? I'd conclude that thing works!

https://vimeo.com/61914305

it works but

my vote /2p: re the 4'4" footage

1st wave = Boards bogging
2nd wave = Board tad too skittery for rider to control and put a turn in
3rd wave = Board starts to work

not that much difference between 3 waves.........

yes my dear Holmes i concur it does work.

But irrespective of the style, feel or offbeat sensation such a talented rider wants to peruse.....
I do wonder / feel a slightly bigger board may of 'worked' better?

eDit...
however on second viewing of video ,
much of the above drivel can be ignored..........

[defever]

Has anyone tried surfing a bobdyboard standing up finless-style?

Full size adult that is. I'm sure it'll be easy for little people.

[Archy_is_God]

Google 'Chris Won' and 'backdoor' and see if anything comes up....

There's a few guys who surf well standup on lids, but he's the one that comes to my mind the most. I remember seeing pics of him in the mags I used to read in the late 80s/early 90s getting fully shacked at decent-sized backdoor and off-the-wall while standing on a sponge.

That said, I think a lot kids I grew up with ended up standing up for the first time on sponges. I can vaguely remember struggling to stay straight with both feet on the deck of my Mum's BZ Pro while my mate Gary was trying to push me off

Valentine Ching also rode little plywood paipos standup about 50 years ago in Hawaii.... Skills

[Archy_is_God]

Chris Won:

[Archy_is_God]

And here's Cavin Yapp, laying it on a rail:

[zboy]

there you go thats what i was talking about backdoor heavy out on a boogie board,look at wall at rileys in clare biggest ever session 10/15 ft riding a boogie board.but he did get smoked big time

[Kirk3]

1 minute, a few stand up paipo rides and mad stoke.

http://vimeo.com/15613761